Trans kids

[Macareaux]

This is an interesting article in a US publication about trans kids and rapid onset gender dysphoria.

After considering many aspects of the issue and anecdotal reports and data, the writer comes to the the conclusion that the distilled problem is that there is no way of determining which children are truly trans and which are not.

If we are to progress then sooner or later these mainstream writers are going to have to have the courage to say that there is no such thing as a transgender child.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/andrew-sullivan-hard-questions-gender-transitions-for-young.html

The theory of 'innate gender identity' compels every child to re-define themselves within this framework as either 'trans' or 'cis'.

This piece of social engineering works on the assumption that our adherence to gender stereotypes is very much more important in daily life than our sex, which is bollocks. My adherence to gender stereotypes has been of very little importance to me, whereas my sex has often been very relevant - particularly when I was younger.

Teaching this nonsense can only puzzle and unsettle children. It also essentially reclassifies any number of groups. Given that we are clearly not cis I can only assume that all us second wave feminist are expected to redefine ourselves as trans. Same with lesbians and gay men. In fact hardly anyone is cis. Only Barbie and GI Joe, I suppose.

But then again, as most people are covered by the Stonewall umbrella, seems we're all trans now.

It's all so silly. Sometimes I can't believe we're discussing something so fucking ridiculous.

But how do you know they are 'baby dykes'? You are making the assumption that all young trans men are actually lesbians. You have no evidence for that.

On this subject, I read something last night that really concerned me.

This is from the 'lead therapist' at GenderGP (yes the Webberley's Clinic) and is a transwoman themselves.

twitter.com/OakesMarianne/status/1188382124975493120

I can't screenshot right now, but the thread's tweets say:

Having a report in the #SundayTimes about a group of parents suggesting their children have been brainwashed regarding their gender identity, I feel a sense of projecting their inadequacy as a parent on to others. I can’t imagine how it feels to be in this position I really can’t

Though I do feel a sense of sadness for them, it really must be difficult, but, the truth as I know it, however it happens, once we start to question our gender, no matter how hard we try, no matter what lengths we go to to deny it, no matter how deep the stigma goes,

Or how much we are shamed, and no matter how many sessions of therapy we have, this whole thing is only ever going to go in one direction. Parents, getting your voice heard in the Times is only going to make your child’s already difficult life even harder.

If you really want to help, adding to the already over stigmatisation really needs to stop. Turning trans kids in to a political debate has to stop, you are mis-guided if you believe at any level this can be sorted in this manner. Your child, like it or not is transgender.

Your role as a parent is to help them explore what they need to do, find out the choices they have (believe me, there are choices, not all roads lead surgery). Stopping the exploration is going to damage them and really will not offer them the chance of finding alternative help.

It can become a tunnel vision process of medical transition without affirmative support. Good affirmative therapy is proven to have positive outcomes. You only have to look at the great work Johanna Olsen-Kennedy is doing in LA.

Gender affirming health care is what it says it is ‘Gender’ affirming, not, ‘Transgender’ affirming. It is designed by its very nature to help those questioning their gender for whatever reason to find their true identity, whatever that might be.

Gender exploration should not be feared, everyone alive has explored there gender one way or another, trans kids are no different

This reads to me as:-

1. Projection
   
   Marianne is trans so therefore there is only 'one direction - your kid is transgender'. "No matter how many sessions of therapy"

2. Contradictory.
   
   it is ‘Gender’ affirming, not, ‘Transgender’ affirming. It is designed by its very nature to help those questioning their gender for whatever reason to find their true identity ... Your child, like it or not, is transgender

Questioning doesn't square with their first point of 'this is only going to go in one direction'. If you're 'questioning', that's something with a variety of answers, not a single destination.

This person works with children: It’s no secret I am a therapeutic counsellor, I work with transgender/gender nonconforming clients of all age

(If someone else can screenshot for ease of reading, please do!)

Just waving this again for the proper evening crowd.

Have a read of the tweets from a GenderGP therapist.

Who believes 'your child is transgender. no matter how many therapy sessions we have'

Oh, and by the way, if you question this, it just shows your 'inadequacy as a parent'

If ‘therapy’ with Marianne can only ever have one outcome, surely it would be better described as ‘grooming’?

Madness:

thefederalist.com/2018/09/12/u-s-doctors-performing-double-mastectomies-healthy-13-year-old-girls/

The source may be right wing, but there are too many on the left who have lost the plot on this issue, and the information is real--

www.lifesitenews.com/news/canadian-doctor-pockets-9000-to-remove-breasts-from-14-year-old-girls-who-b

4thwavenow.com/2015/08/19/coming-soon-to-a-state-near-you-double-mastectomy-for-your-15-year-old-without-parental-consent/

As far as "bottom surgery" goes, under 18 year olds are getting it in various places, like this 17 year old in Massachusetts.

www.self.com/story/this-emotional-video-shows-one-teens-journey-through-gender-confirmation-surgery

Or this New Hampshire childthe mother parrots, "I'd rather have a live daughter than a dead son"drinking the Kool-aid.

www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/ny-teen-transgender-surgery-20190724-hca7wabrlbethco3lj3e3dqevy-story.html

Ad here is a woman named Max. who thought she was a man, lopped off her breasts, at 17, and changed her mind at 22.

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/07/when-a-child-says-shes-trans/561749/

There is a 16 year old on the trans UK reddit saying that they are currently waiting for a surgical referral letter from Gender GP (cost £150) so anyone that thinks this could never happen in the UK is either woefully blind or wildly optimistic.

A run of the mill cosmetic surgery business in Edinburgh is now offering implants for MTF and mastectomy (5-7 grand) for FTM despite these surgeries usually needing a referral from two ‘gender specialists’. No mention of specialist referrals are obvious on the website, the surgeries are advertised in the same manner as all the other cosmetic procedures they offer.

Surgery isn't legal in the uk until a certain age.

Posting right wing US articles isn't really the feminist way. I'm really suspicious of these sorts of posts. I feel it's a way for the extreme right to consciously and deliberately split the left. This isn't a conspiracy theory- there are lots of examples of people working for troll farms in Russia and Poland on this stuff.

This extreme right partnership won't end well for women.

This extreme right partnership won't end well for women.

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The extreme left is as equally damaging though isn’t it?

Tell me FrackOff is the British Medical Journal a right wing media organisation being controlled by trolls in Poland too?

This extreme right partnership won't end well for women

I'll just repeat my question from the other thread, double my chances of getting an actual reply from you.

Does this sentiment also apply to those funding international trans rights organisations? A surprising number of right wing donors, either themselves males who identify as trans or gay men, have given millions to fund their advocacy.

And right here in the UK trans rights organisations are courting politicians of all parties in the search for allies. As they should in my view, because this is one of the issues that exceed the narrow confines of the right-wing - left-wing dichotomy.

And so is the fight to assert and maintain the existing legal rights of women. I will ally with someone I don't necessarily agree with on many other issues - of course I have my own boundaries and hard limits and in my opinion everyone else has the right to set their own boundaries on cooperation with erstwhile opponents.

Working together across a cultural, political, religious or ethnic divide is how we have been making progress on many other important issues. Trans rights organisations are clearly not willing to abandon such an effective strategy and neither are many women's rights campaigners.

As for the wedge issue, I suggest a different interpretation. Transgender ideology and legislation are being massively funded by right wing donors and enjoy the support of all major parties in the UK*. That's the wedge issue being used to weaken the status of women, the women's rights movement and the left. No matter how this ends, they will have made gains.

*Including the Conservative Party whose last manifesto seemed to have copied over a large number of positions from one the British National Party used previously. (In comparison, a number of British parties are much further to the right than most of their European counterparts.)

What is this massive funding you speak of? Specifics please. I haven't seen any of it.

Doctors in the UK are not well served by their training when it comes to issues of gender identity

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Things ain’t go so wonderfully for women at moment so god knows what the ending will be

Actually @CharlieParley I do have a problem with the Tory government's use of LGBT rights to make themselves look good and to whitewash their policies, eg their rampant Islamophobia. It's called homonationalism and I hate it. For example, look at how they accuse the Birmingham Muslim families of being extremist for not accepting LGBT-inclusive education.

I think that mutually respectful LGBT- inclusive education in schools with Muslim families is entirely possible. A good starting point is that no religion condones bullying.

There is a parallel in feminism too, 'femonationalism' www.thenation.com/article/feminism-nationalism-right-europe/

What is this massive funding you speak of? Specifics please. I haven't seen any of it.

Soros and Pritzker are two names that spring to mind.

4thwavenow.com/2018/05/25/the-open-society-foundations-the-transgender-movement/

4thwavenow.com/2016/07/11/follow-the-money-trans-billionaire-makes-new-1-million-grant-to-chicago-pediatric-transition-clinic/

medium.com/@sue.donym1984/inauthentic-selves-the-modern-lgbtq-movement-is-run-by-philanthropic-astroturf-and-based-on-junk-d08eb6aa1a4b

thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

Should be much more like the US, do you mean? For a significant number of clinicians over there the Hippocratic oath seems to have been replaced by 'Follow the money and keep your professional indemnity insurance bang up to date so you can't be sued'. Let's hope we don't end up the same way. 'First do no harm'. Patient-centred, evidence-based care, with the universities pitching in to do unbiased, thorough, peer-reviewed research to back up any change in practice, free from the influence of pharmaceutical companies and others with a commercial or personal interest in pushing things a certain way. Professional bodies stepping up to ensure high standards are the norm. We're a long way from that and I don't want us to go further.

wow. Yes I see. Thanks @OldCrone
Well the right wing are trying to coopt us all aren't they.
How clever.

I am still a trans supporting person though. However you won't see me linking to right wing journalism to make my point.

Frack,

The Atlantic is HARDLY a right wing pub. The WSJ has also covered this (it’s pretty centrist / neoliberal).

Sone left wing publications absolutely refuse to touch this issue. i would love if they would cover it but they would prefer to keep their heads in the sand

I do agree with you that Russia/trolls are involved. However I believe they worked earlier on to get this shit into the policy left Wing establishment knowing it was insanity and inevitably cause the left to eat itself.

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Happy to get that lovely right wing funding to push your unpleasant agenda, but damning all us nasty feminists when some of us link to right wing media sources to talk about all the shit your right wing funding facilitates.

You can do all the dancing you like. FWR will continue to be a place where women talk about and defend women's and girl's rights. Most of us understand that neither right and left are allies for women right now and that we have to fight for ourselves, which is what feminism is all about.