Center Parcs upholding single sex spaces?

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www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/10/30/center-parcs-trans-woman-changing-rooms-equalities-act-victoria-hodges/

So we can't tell the difference Roof & you think we should let anyone who identifies as female, or claims to, have access to female single sex spaces.

So then you wouldn't have single sex spaces, would you?

So really - you just don't think women should have single sex spaces.

That'll be a Nope from me, then.

Because history has shown that predatory men make little effort to disguise their intention to get closer to their prey. Yup, they just can't be bothered.

Oh except they do. They go to great lengths. And a two minute form fill online with no checks or gatekeeping to get the magical GRC is a wonderful gift to them.

Are you living under a rock?

Anyway if your still up for that discussion ... Cool, I’m up for that. Let’s kick off by you answering my question asked at approx 10.30.

Do my daughters requirements come second to those of a transwoman?

There's an obvious difference between the two groups. Transgender woman are transitioning to female, identity as female, live as female, have surgery, get a GRC etc.

That is horribly transphobic - setting limits on what a transwoman must look like or do to qualify.

And then (after Datun asks you about Alex and Danielle who present in a very stereotypically masculine way and who refer to their male genitalia not infrequently)

I don't think appearances are what we should be judging.

Which one is it?

(And for the umpteenth time, why are you not giving one single fuck about transmen?)

So really - you just don't think women should have single sex spaces.

That's precisely what they seem to be saying.

What I am not understanding is why, if single sex spaces are unacceptable (according to girlontheroof) then presumably either 'male' or 'female' changing areas can be used by transwomen or transmen since neither are going to be deemed single sex by them.

It seems odd for transwomen to be saying I am a woman and therefore must be able to use the same single sex area designated for women they you are campaigning for it not to exist.

Why don't they campaign for the men's changing area to stop being single sex and carry on using that?

@PurpleCrowbar
Having single-sex facilities/services is absolutely fine. They need to include transgender people based on a GRC (if applicable), or Under EA2010 protections, and if an exception based on PMOAALA is valid that's fine too.

We don't care about appearances to be honest as no "transwoman" is actually female, irrespective of the certified status of their state of mind.

The exemptions in the EQ2010 are about sex and about when male and female services should be separate. A lot of effort is going into obfuscating this by people that want males to take priority at all times but I am afraid this is a very unpopular idea and is being exposed for the bizzare nonsense it is.

@BuzzShitbagBobbly
The law does not set appearance standards.

With ref to your transgender men comment, everything I've said applies equally to both transgender men and women. The law applies to both equally.

@spacepyramid
Troll? Were you talking about yourself or just being disrespectful?

@midcenturylegs
Troll? Same question.

Transgender women are not the problem here. Predatory males however could be a problem. There's an obvious difference between the two groups

Unfortunately the reason we have sex specific services is because it is not obvious which males are a threat and which are not. Because males as a class, regardless of identity or presentation, are known to be a threat to females as a sex class, we have proportionate protections based upon sex. This is enshrined in the EA.

The one thing that unites, without exception, the two groups - Transwomen and Males - is that they are both male. It is literally the only defining common characteristic.

@spacepyramid Troll? Were you talking about yourself or just being disrespectful?

Ah, so you can't answer my valid questions (I assume that is why you ignored them, or maybe it's because you know I am right) so you resort to insults.

Have a good day.

Do we all need to start carrying our birth certificates/GRCs and present these to people employed to check them at the doors of all facilities? Is this the end game?

Why is everyone wasting their time and energy on this troll?

Because this person is giving us many, repeated opportunities to lay out what the actual law says and how soi disant "Stonewall law" misrepresents it.

Quite why this person wants to continue scoring own goals is the question. In search of the Genderist Premier League own goal record, perhaps?

Then again what's to stop my husband using mine or vice versa? We're going to need photo ID too.

But without the filters I look nothing like...

Do we all need to start carrying our birth certificates/GRCs and present these to people employed to check them at the doors of all facilities? Is this the end game?

No. Because identity documents (passport, driving licence, etc) are already self-ID and it's not permissible to ask to see a GRC on privacy grounds. This makes EqA's single sex exemptions unworkable in practice. The end game is to abolish sex as a meaningful category with implications for policy.

The recent parliamentary committee report on making these exemptions workable and Labour's acknowledgement of this in its manifesto appears to have caused this renewed interest by genderists. There's a whiff, finally, of a future policy set not going entirely their way. And they don't like it.

@HumberHellraiser
Transgender women are in the process of transition, or have transitioned, or are considering transition. All are protected under the EA2010 against discrimination.

The GRA2004 process allows a transgender person to be legally recognised as their "transitioned to" sex.

Your belief that transgender women are always men is not relevant at all.

The law does not set appearance standards.

Oh really, and yet you also posted this:

13.59
Service providers should be aware that where a transsexual person is visually and for all practical purposes indistinguishable from a non-transsexual person of that gender, they should normally be treated according to their acquired gender, unless there are strong reasons to the contrary.

It seems everyone is confused by the obfuscation...

Your belief that transgender women are always men is not relevant at all.

You wish.

How is it not relevant? Could you explain your comment please?

With ref to your transgender men comment, everything I've said applies equally to both transgender men and women. The law applies to both equally.

And yet until you were repeatedly prompted you were very keen to only talk about transwomen.

3/10 for execution. Must try harder.

@TiredofthisBS
The application of The Law is the only thing that counts. Individual opinions and beliefs outside a court room do not carry much weight.

Your belief that transgender women are always men is not relevant at all

That is not what I said. As you can see from my post above, very clearly.

Please try to stay on topic and don’t misquote people. It isn’t helpful and could be seen as goady.