Center Parcs upholding single sex spaces?

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www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/10/30/center-parcs-trans-woman-changing-rooms-equalities-act-victoria-hodges/

Hmmmm.

@BuzzShitbagBobbly
The Center Parcs story was about a transgender woman. Obviously everything also applies equally to both women and men. Didn't think it was necessary to spell it out...!

I think you have a distorted view regarding the law.

Didn't think it was necessary to spell it out...!

Oh it's not. Everyone can clearly see why you are here and what you are trying to do.

Well it was entertaining if nothing else.
Rather than all the negative talk about Transgender women, maybe there can be a more informed discussion in future.

Catch you later...!

Goodness, that was a super rubbish sealion.

They're not exactly sending their crack troops these days, are they?

And STILL poster hasn't a) shown us explicit example of transphobia or b) acknowledged concerns we have of biological men in a sex segregated space.

because absolutely F all you do or say to yourself or anyone else can change the sex of a human

If you want a proper respectful discussion I'm more than willing to have one.

Excellent.

May I respectfully ask you this question:

Please will you define the word "woman" without using the word woman as part of the definition?

Thank you.

drags chair next to Horse's and waits. Probably for some time

@HorseWithNoFucksToGive
After you.... don't see how it's relevant.

When discrimination on the basis of a protected characteristic is alleged, the Courts will (and have done - Royal Mail) compare the treatment of someone without that protected characteristic, with the alleged treatment of someone with it. This is in order to ascertain whether or not the person has been discriminated against due to their characteristic. In the case of a TW undergoing gender reassignment, the comparator is a natal male NOT undergoing gender reassignment. Please note the comparator is NOT a natal female.

Secondly, as far as I can see Centerparcs did not discriminate at all. The TW was not turned away because of their gender reassignment status. They were not refused treatment, or treated less favourably than any other person. They were welcomed and provision for them to partake of the activities and treatments offered was made.

Often TRA and MRA forget what discrimination actually is. Telling someone they cannot use any toilet because they are a male who identifies as a women is clearly discrimination. Telling them they have to use the male or unisex toilets is no more discrimination, than someone telling me (natal female) I have to use the female toilets is.

rather than all the negative talk about T

Nothing registers does it, unless it is agreement. It's all just "negative talk".

Datun
What's driving your question?
How do you tell the difference?
I don't think appearances are what we should be judging. If you're transgender and are covered by EA2010 protected characteristic of gender reassignment, requirements have been met.

Well perhaps you should take your own advice and stop judging appearances in that case. You erroneously claimed appearances would count. I couldn't care less what the transwoman looks like.

My question to you was how can we tell the difference between a transwoman, a rapist, paedophile and a cross dressing fetishists? You seemed to think it would be something to do with appearances. Which you now, presumably, realise is incorrect

What is driving my question is wanting an answer, strangely enough!

Or don't you think women and girls should be able to be in a position to exclude cross dressing fetishists, rapists, paedophiles and predators while they are taking their clothes off?

And I don't know how many times people have to tell you that the comparator for those without a GRC is other men. Those with a GRC are vanishingly rare.

Is this one still going?
@LangCleg I did see a lot of children when I popped into town so it must be an inset day or something. You'd think girl would rather be on their Playstation wouldn't you?

Bloody brilliant!

Please answer my question and I will gladly answer yours. This is exciting (and not just for me I suspect) because if you answer then you will be the first person who has answered it and I have asked it many times before. So..

Could you please define "woman" without using the word woman as part of the definition?

It’s relevant because you speak of TW living as “a woman.” And identifying as “a woman.”

You cannot logically argue that TW do either of those things if you cannot define the word “woman.”

You cannot logically argue that TW do either of those things if you cannot define the word “woman.”

And our starter for ten is...

... crickets!

The interesting thing is as soon as you even start to see it from the corner of your eye, it's like someone has whipped the goggles off you at lightning speed. And the entire edifice explodes.

Yep. And then it's a never-ending, hideously dull, game of Whack-a-mole.

Exactly, Datun. And they know that if they were to say that, the inherent sexism would stand starkly revealed.

That’s why they refuse to answer. They know, deep down, their own misogyny. It’s not something they’re ashamed of, but it’s something they know won’t wash politically — at least, not yet. Not unless and until they can completely undo all the successes of the Second Wave wrt sex-role stereotypes by inculcating the notion of the gender jelly-baby spectrum into younger generations — permanently imprisoning them at the toddler stage of understanding sex difference, wherein a girl becomes a boy by cutting her hair and a boy becomes a girl by growing his out.

More reading required:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/484857/Providinggservicesforrtransgendercustomers-aa_guide.pdf

So yes you must support them, but yes you can still do things single sex , communal accommodation being a given example, competitive sport where there is a physical advantage another, and things when risk assessment is a key element ( focussed on insurance but I guess that should be equally true in prisons)

Will try not to lose that link!