Center Parcs upholding single sex spaces?

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www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/10/30/center-parcs-trans-woman-changing-rooms-equalities-act-victoria-hodges/

”Still haven’t answered one simple question, how do you enforce sex segregated spaces....please tell me how you prevent a biological man claiming to be a trans man to access your spaces?”

There’s never anyone on the door of single sex spaces physically preventing members of the opposite sex coming in. It is simply accepted that the spaces are single sex, therefore members of the opposite sex do not go in. It is enforced the same as any other rule; mostly because everyone knows and accepts that is the deal.

The trouble now is there is a very small group of people who want to change single sex spaces into mixed sex spaces regardless of whether those who currently benefit from the sex segregation are happy to lose it.

To those who are posting my photos without asking first, maybe you should also post your own photos or reveal your real identity rather than hiding behind a username.

Your photos are already in the public domain and you decided to out yourself on here.

Maybe you should have thought of that before you posted you "yay look at me arent I clever" post.

how does a service provider ensure that any rule that always excludes all trans women cannot be breached?

Well, a good start would be saying a firm "No" to Vicky here.

A good follow on would be not to offer women the First Aid room if they don't want to change with Vicky walking through the open plan changing room - but to direct Vicky to the gender neutral facility originally offered.

Social convention meant that men in the ladies could always be challenged - until the TRAs blurred all the boundaries.

And Vicky, you could have easily stayed anonymous on here - it was your choice to say who you were. Nobody had guessed it was actually you.

I'm not afraid to reveal my ID unlike some, however posting photos of my family and myself to try and prove some pathetic point is inappropriate. The posts in question have since been deleted by the moderators so that would suggest I'm correct in my position.

Correct in that if photos are posted without the permission of the owner and the owner then complains, certainly. Correct in that people often can't tell the sex of a transwoman? Definitely not.

think it is easy to be caught up in the ‘transwomen are women’ mantra Once you've done a little wandering, it's less easy to be caught up in this mantra.

Agree. I have to say I've never really got it. It's not reality, it's a statement of personal belief, one I've never had.

Vicky you went to the papers and chose to make your identity public. There are photos of you linked to at the start of the thread in the many news articles you got coverage in.

It belongs in the same category of statement as "Jesus is my personal saviour" - you're welcome to hold that as a personal belief, but you have no right whatsoever to enforce that belief on others, and public policy should reflect that.

Erm. Vicky.

You joined Mumsnet. If you're not familiar with it, it's a place where many, many users are anonymous, not because they're 'afraid to reveal their ID' but because that's not the site culture here. For many reasons that women on here will be familiar with.

And then you very clearly stated who you were here. To boast your stunning and brave 'unlock' achievement in your journey:

I can also confirm that Vicky has now been to Center Parcs, used the changing room and she had a great weekend with her family.
How do I know all this? Well "GirlOnTheRoof" is Vicky Hodges... 💃🏻🙋🏻‍♀️💜

I simply recognised you were who you said you were, and referenced other elements of your online presence. (Has noone introduced you to the world wide web's connections? As a parent, I constantly remind my offspring of the links between sites, and the online footprint you create.)

I'm not afraid to reveal my ID unlike some, however posting photos of my family and myself to try and prove some pathetic point

I had no idea that was your family that you've uploaded to the world wide web.

But I'm interested in what 'pathetic point' you thought I was trying to prove? Who you are is extremely relevant in this discussion.

What point do you think I was trying to prove? And why is it 'pathetic'?

Pombear,

Throughout this entire thread you have been going into my social media accounts, quoting from my blog and posting my family photos. Meanwhile you've not revealed your own ID and hide behind an anonymous username. That's fine do what you think is appropriate, just be respectful if that's possible. My accounts are now locked due to your behaviour as you obviously think what you do is ok on some strange level. It's actually abusive behaviour and you do this to make cheap points that support your opinions. It needs to stop as I'm sure you've already been advised.

I actually found your twitter profile Vicky because vickyjgo is also on Twitter, so if you're going to come in to a mainly female space, specifically one that talks about woman's rights, to, imo, gloat about how you got one over on women, then yes, I'm going to go and look you up.

Nothing scary. No tech skills needed.

But vicki you said it was you

Off course people are going to google you because you told us it was you

Vicky, a google search of your name and centre parcs - second result is a pricknews article with a big photo at the top.

If you'd wanted to remain anonymous, revealing your name in a post here was your first mistake

GirlDownUnder,

I've no idea what or who vickyjgo is.

I have a right to join Mumsnet just like everyone else does. I also have a right to post on a thread that was originally created due to a story in PinkNews about CP and myself. If you thought this space was reserved just for anti-trans comments you're very mistaken.

As for the photo in PinkNews, that's a photo I gave to them for the article, so obviously it's approved by me. Go figure

Oh I'm silly! I didn't even think to do a google search

So I've just done that and almost the whole first page of results is about Vicky (Victoria Hodges) and the use of women's changing rooms. Attached receipt.

A google image search for ‘Centre Parcs transgender’ brings up V Hodges as the only human on the top line (it’s the 4th picture. Pic 1 is a pool, pic 2 is a row of lockers, pic 3 is a landscape).

The image source is Pink News so if the subject would like it deleted, best take it up with them?

If you thought this space was reserved just for anti-trans comments you're very mistaken.

Said no one on this thread.

Go figure.

Mummmy2017,

What on Earth are you talking about?

Your DNA . What do you think it is.

Vicky, here's what I don't get.

I appreciate that you identify as a woman. But you don't seem to identify with women. Women are threatened and anxious when naked and vulnerable around male bodies. One in three women are raped in their lifetime, and in an open plan changing room, when they have an expectation of privacy, if a male body walks through it could retraumatise. It's an intrusion and a potentially harmful one. You could cause real distress and suffering, and you will almost certainly have caused discomfort and unease.

This is not because of transphobia. It's because every woman on earth is aware from very early on that male bodies pose a risk to us. Your internal sense of whether your gender identity is masculine or feminine isn't something we can see, or recognise. Your body is. And your body, in contrast with your inner sense of your gender, remains male.

As a woman, why aren't you cognisant of all the inculcated, well founded anxiety women feel around natally male bodies, and why is our own peace of mind and our own distress not as valuable as your having access to our spaces? You were offered a unisex setting, but didn't feel that was good enough. You wanted the right to walk through a room of changing women to feel validated as one of them. And their feelings weren't of the slightest interest to you.

Why is it that you see that as a triumph? Because to a lot of women, it looks like a behaviour and mindset with which we are all painfully familiar. And not from one another, either.

But but no. You wrote you were vicki hodges

You wrote it didn’t you ?