Center Parcs upholding single sex spaces?

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www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/10/30/center-parcs-trans-woman-changing-rooms-equalities-act-victoria-hodges/

But apparently nobody was meant to then go google "Vicki Hodges Centerparcs", because reasons.

Please keep up. Yes a google search for Center Parcs and Victoria Hodges (me) will show those results and the picture of me which I gave them. What were you expecting? 🤷🏻‍♀️

Mummmy2017,

I call it my business, not yours.

Reasonable behavior? Clearly that expectation was a bit optimistic.

You don’t even need a name, ‘centre parcs transgender’ is enough.

You can’t expect privacy if you have your name and photo in the paper. These days everyone Googles everything.

Google is how we found the wanky rubber man in the NSPCC toilets. We’re Mumsnetters, not private investigators 😂

going into my social media accounts
quoting from my blog
posting my family photos

Vicky. It's the internet. By putting things online without locks (which, as you say, you've done now) is talking to other people on the internet, wherever they are. The very act of blogging, if you don't lock it down, is done with the aim of talking to the 'internet'. I was one of your internet audience.

Meanwhile you've not revealed your own ID and hide behind an anonymous username Again, welcome to Mumsnet. This is the norm on Mumsnet.

just be respectful if that's possible I'm a long term poster with very few deletions. My 'behaviour' is not inappropriate on the majority of the internet, cross-platform sharing of information - otherwise, we'd question why people on twitter should be sharing posts on Mumsnet, wouldn't we? We know why Mumsnet is so wary of anything that might antagonise certain people, and therefore delete things that would remain elsewhere.

It's actually abusive behaviour I'll let that accusation just hang there, given the theme of this thread.

I'll bow out and wish you good night, as I doubt our conversation will be that productive, and I don't wish to derail the main theme of this thread any further.

Which is, as I've read it - why should male-bodied people feel able to trample over women's privacy, dignity, safety and feelings?

Do you call it your business not mine because your own body will betray you?

If cross platform sharing was a problem legally, we’d have to arrest EVERYONE on Pinterest.

Vicky - can I ask you if you care that women will have felt uncomfortable when you walked through the communal changing room?

From what I've read on here with all these negative comments about transgender people, women in particular, there's not much point in continuously repeating the same old arguments over and over. What we all need to do is work together in support of feminism and women's rights. To exclude transgender women from that is a pointless exercise. Most of the women I know are totally supportive intersectional feminists. I just don't understand the negativity of those who wish to exclude.

By entering a female changing room, I was under the impression my child would not see a penis over the age of 8 years.

Women only have separate rights due to having female bodies. If you apply women’s rights to male bodies it’s a) pointless, because males don’t menstruate/bear children/experience menopause
Or b) impossible to justify and defend our need for additional rights because ‘not all women are female’.

I have nothing against trans people existing in the world and I support trans people’s rights not to be discriminated against for housing and jobs...

BUT female is material state that you are born into, not an identity to take on mid life. Feminism is for female people. It’s in the name.

Strangers on the internet who lack respect for women's boundaries don't get to tell me what I "need" to be doing.

Vicky - can I ask you if you care that women will have felt uncomfortable when you walked through the communal changing room?

Good question. And what about female children? Do you care if female children felt uncomfortable, particularly those just starting puberty and very keen (because of things like starting menstruation and other bodily changes) to have single sex spaces for their privacy and dignity.

Maybe that is what we need to change, the wording. Adults who carry male DNA are not allowed in this changing room.

I'm singing off this thread. There's no point remaining on here as it's become a circular argument at this point. A proper discussion can only take place once both positions are respectfully accepted. That's clearly not the agenda here. A starting point would be to accept that transgender men and women are the gender/sex that they tell you they are. You can't deny people's existence and still expect a meaningful discussion or cooperation.
Over and out.

To exclude transgender women from that is a pointless exercise. Most of the women I know are totally supportive intersectional feminists. I just don't understand the negativity of those who wish to exclude.

It would seem most people disagree with you:

59% of people believe someone born male with male genitalia but identifying as a woman should not be free to use female changing rooms where women/girls may be undressing/showering
14% of people believe that they should be free to use them
24% don’t know, 4% prefer not to say.

twitter.com/helenstaniland/status/1055128983803703297

I'm not sure how honest I'd be if asked this question, face to face, by a transwoman for various reasons, that are my business, but in a survey I'd be honest.

When you're ready to respectfully accept our position then be sure to let us know, Vicky!

Also if you want to be classed as a female, go swimming lose all your make up, then stand nude in the changing rooms, does your pre op body not betray you?

I thought pre/post op isn't a thing anymore? Hence the "acceptance without exception" and all the ladydick stuff. The so-called passing privilege doesn't just refer to the few who can afford extensive FFS. We're supposed to pretend that an actual penis can be female, because so many (most?) can't or won't have genital surgery.
And in any case, women are not penis-less men.

...You can't deny people's existence...

Says the person who is very busy denying women their agency and their existence.

I guess you'll carry on talking but not listening.

Go well.

“Deny people’s existence”?????

I dunno. Women who have XY chromosomes and complete androgen insensitivity syndrome would be weeded out by a male DNA rule.

This group of women would be treated and socialised as female from birth and would only discover their development disorder at puberty when menstruation doesn’t start and doctors investigate. This is pretty rare but it’s important not to throw genuinely intersex women under the bus.

Sex is defined as a combination of chromosomes, genitals, gonads and gametes.

Someone who is born with the complete set of male sex characteristics can never become female, not even if they have some of them surgically removed, so clearly they don’t belong in women’s spaces.

A starting point would be to accept that transgender men and women are the gender/sex that they tell you they are.

Chromosomes, genitals, gonads and gametes = sex.

How can someone with the opposite set to me be the same sex as me?

It makes no sense whatsoever.