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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Center Parcs upholding single sex spaces?

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gcnotterf1 · 30/10/2019 14:51

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/10/30/center-parcs-trans-woman-changing-rooms-equalities-act-victoria-hodges/

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OhHolyJesus · 26/01/2020 17:26

Amazing flipping thank you so much for doing this, I will email them.

Honestly I'll be really furious if I can't go to Centre Parcs anymore, it's been a family favourite. I won't be booking into the spa this year that's for sure.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 26/01/2020 17:29

‘Transgender or normal’

Someone better call the po-op, a transphobic thought crime has been committed!

EmpressLangClegInChair · 26/01/2020 17:31

Useful update. I’ve just sent my brother & SIL a link to the thread, they won’t want to be taking their 13-year-old DD to Center Parcs any more if the women’s changing rooms are now mixed sex.

FlippingBirds · 26/01/2020 17:32

Haha....I didn't include the persons name I spoke to, it's not their fault per say.....but they seemed pretty woke and not apologetic for the shit-show that is their policy.

5zeds · 26/01/2020 17:37

Is it only the spa or are all the toilets the same.

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 26/01/2020 17:40

Thank You for doing this flipping.

The cognitive dissonance is interesting; while parroting TWAW it sounds to me that the employee doesn't think transpeople are normal people.

I hear implicit, old-school homophobia in that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2020 17:46

That person is very ill informed, as probably many people dealing with the public are.

FlippingBirds · 26/01/2020 17:48

Or badly informed.....

VivaLeBeaver · 26/01/2020 17:50

I think someone ought to ring the aqua sana up and say they’re transgender and still have a penis but would like a bikini wax. See how woke they are when faced with that! 🤷‍♀️

I mean if they can’t discriminate against someone who says they’re a woman they’d have to make some poor unfortunate female employee handle a random penis.

But then if they suddenly decide they can discriminate and say no to penis owners having a bikini wax then maybe they’ll see the issue.

Clymene · 26/01/2020 17:54

I would imagine that if the communal changing areas in the spa are mixed sex, then so are the loos.

Good to know for their target demographic - which is chiefly families with young children. And of course, those of is with older kids may decide to have a mum and daughter day out at the spa.

I really think Center Parcs need to make it clear in their FAQs that people with penises might be in the women's communal spa changing areas.

Clymene · 26/01/2020 17:56

Ironically I've had an email from Center parcs today asking me if I want to book a half term break. Err ... no thanks!

Cleanlines · 26/01/2020 18:03

We regularly holiday at Centerparcs. I've emailed too and hope others do. These companies need to get some proper legal advice and recognise their core market.

Bananabixfloof · 26/01/2020 18:11

I think someone ought to ring the aqua sana up and say they’re transgender and still have a penis but would like a bikini wax. See how woke they are when faced with that
Challenge accepted. Tomorrow I'll do this. Currently have guests and dont want to make that phone call with them present.

OhHolyJesus · 26/01/2020 18:11

Good idea Viva you can go for the day so wouldn't need a booking number.

Can anyone do a convincingly deep enough voice?

OhHolyJesus · 26/01/2020 18:12

Cross post with Banana

I might ask a GC college to call up too.

Bananabixfloof · 26/01/2020 18:15

Everyone who wants to should do it. Make the point clear to them.
Also ask about how many women will be in the same room and anything else you can think off to make them think.
Yes I have a pretty deep voice, I should "pass"

VivaLeBeaver · 26/01/2020 18:28

Great bananna. I’m on a course all this week so can’t ring. Be good to hear what they have to say though.

LangClegsInSpace · 26/01/2020 18:41

Amazing work FlippingBirds!

Clymene · 26/01/2020 19:09

Thank you FlippingBirds for having the sense to record the call.

Sunkisses · 26/01/2020 19:09

I think it would be better if a bloke called them up, with an obviously male voice, and asked for a bikini wax. Has anyone got a ballsy (hee hee) DH who could do it?

Sunkisses · 26/01/2020 19:09

...and record it obviously

ThePurported · 26/01/2020 19:13

Thank you Flipping!
So it's basically "I'm a lady", and access granted?

The cognitive dissonance is interesting; while parroting TWAW it sounds to me that the employee doesn't think transpeople are normal people.

I hear implicit, old-school homophobia in that.

It's possible that they have read some nonsense about ladybrains accidentally ending up in male bodies.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2020 19:33

It's possible that they have read some nonsense about ladybrains accidentally ending up in male bodies.

PC Gul possibly popped in to check their thinking.

LangClegsInSpace · 26/01/2020 20:14

We need to think about the pressures that front line service staff are under, in all fields. Probably lots of people reading this are in exactly this position.

These are generally low paid jobs with poorsecurity. Employees have been sent on the 'training' courses and have been told things so insane it just made their brains lock up. They are then handed a policy to implement which tells them that it's ILLEGAL to exclude a male person who says 'I am a woman' from the female changing room.

What are they going to do?

Probably the vast majority know that it's wrong. They also know that if they start being awkward they just won't be given shifts, or fault will be found with their work and they'll be dismissed.

Section 111 of the EA says that it's prohibited conduct to instruct, cause or induce someone to discriminate against, harass or victimise another person.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/111

Both the customer/potential customer and the front line staff member, who has been given the unlawful policy and told to follow it, have a claim against the employer/service provider, if they have suffered a detriment.

Some employment rights don't apply until you've been in a job for 2 years. You can bring an EA case from day 1 of employment or even before, during the recruitment process.

The example in the explanatory notes says:

A GP instructs his receptionist not to register anyone with an Asian name. The receptionist would have a claim against the GP if subjected to a detriment for not doing so. A potential patient would also have a claim against the GP if she discovered the instruction had been given and was put off applying to register. The receptionist’s claim against the GP would be brought before the employment tribunal as it relates to employment, while the potential patient’s claim would be brought in the county court as it relates to services.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/8/4

Center Parcs instructs its staff to allow male people who say 'I am a woman' into open plan female changing rooms. The staff members would have a claim against Center Parcs if subjected to a detriment for not doing so. A potential customer would also have a claim against Center Parcs if she discovered the instruction had been given and was put off booking a holiday. The staff members' claims against Center Parcs would be brought before the employment tribunal as they relate to employment, while the potential customer’s claim would be brought in the county court as it relates to services.

ThePurported · 26/01/2020 20:54

These are generally low paid jobs with poorsecurity. Employees have been sent on the 'training' courses and have been told things so insane it just made their brains lock up. They are then handed a policy to implement which tells them that it's ILLEGAL to exclude a male person who says 'I am a woman' from the female changing room.

What are they going to do?

Exactly. It doesn't matter whether the staff member is 'woke' or not, they are - presumably - just following instructions.
But isn't it odd how uninformed people are about gender recognition certificates, considering all the training that goes on? It's almost like the trans rights activists and trainers don't actually give a shit about the GRC, even though it's the one and only thing that can give trans people special rights in some circumstances.

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