Center Parcs upholding single sex spaces?

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www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/10/30/center-parcs-trans-woman-changing-rooms-equalities-act-victoria-hodges/

Still, so long as Vicky is happy eh?
We are already booked, I expect it will be our last time though. It will be thoroughly unworkable without safe changing spaces and I presume toilets. The world gets ever smaller.

This is about creating loopholes and blurred boundaries which put women at risk from predatory or voyeuristic males of any identity

What MossyRock said. I’m so not fucking interested what identity anyone else believes they have, nobody owes validation to anyone else and especially not if they comes with any detrimental impact on them. it’s about everyone being crystal clear about biological reality and what this actually, incontrovertibly means, ie a proven increased safety risk to women and children and the fact that all women and children are also just as equally entitled to dignity and privacy as all men are. So we need single sex spaces. If people want to argue for third space they can crack on with that but single sex provision must be retained and safeguarded for women and children.

Please note GirlOnTheRoof and vickyjgo are both separately on Twatter, and whilst they are also MNers, in the wake of recent reporting events circumspection might be advisable.

They had no idea how to answer this at the call centre so I'll also write an email, specifically regarding the Aqua Sana.

OhHolyJesus just FYI as CP customer service has been @ on a tweet by GirlOnTheRoof - it might help, or save you time?

Thanks for following up

mobile.twitter.com/VickyHodges32/status/1221127071201665025

Vicky Hodges @ VickyHodges32
Replying to @ oolon @ mimmymum and @CenterParcsUK
I had a very positive conversation with CP Customer Service Management, we thrashed it out together, came to the conclusion that we both learned from the experience and today proved to me that they are a fully inclusive company and total professionals 💃🏻💜

I’m booked to go at half term, including a spa session, would be nice to know if they are “fully inclusive “ of women and girls who want and need single sex spaces.

Unisex lockable changing cubicles in the swimming pool changing village is totally fine, no problem with that at all. In an environment like the spa changing where I am usually semi clothed in a completely open room, completely different. Most women feel pretty vulnerable in those circumstances anyway so it’s so important it feels safe and private.

I could go in the individual cubicle but the etiquette really is to avoid doing so in order to leave it free for anyone who really needs it, such as perhaps women from a religion where privacy is particularly important, or perhaps a disabled woman who needs assistance and wants more privacy. I wouldn’t want to go in there unless necessary in case someone else needs it more.

I really would write. We all know that twitter is primarily staffed by union comms people who are anxious to demonstrate their woke credentials

Yeah sorry clymene I wasn't suggesting not writing, just that there is record of what's been asserted on Twitter already, if it helps expedite the customer service process.

there is no reason for a male body to be showing more in this area than they would be in the rest of the spa. If a male body were to be exposing themselves, I would imagine they would be reported to staff

1. who is going to want to risk being reported for hate crime by doing this?

2. who is going to want to risk physical violence by saying something to the male bodied person they see in front of them? That person has already overstepped a boundary by bringing their male body into a female space. Please note I am saying this about any male bodied person in a female space. This hypothetical person may or may not have a gender ID. It is irrelevant to my point

3. Many times I read posters assert that there are adequate laws to protect women from males who would do them harm. I'm curious if those posters have any insight as to why so few women do actually report harassment, rape and sexual assault?

4. Many times I also read that some rape is inevitable and that safeguarding won't stop rapists. I wonder how many additional harassments, assaults and rapes experienced by females due to the erosion of single sex spaces is acceptable to these people? Is there a formula somewhere?

I wonder how this would play our at a nudists women only night.

Harassment in the EA is unwanted conduct related to a protected characteristic that has the purpose or effect of violating someone's dignity or creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for them.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/26

Harassment by a service provider is prohibited conduct.

The 'unwanted conduct' in this case is CP's policy of allowing tw to walk through an open plan female changing room. The relevant protected characteristic is sex.

If I was a woman in that changing room I would certainly feel that my dignity had been violated and that an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating and offensive environment had been created for me.

The single sex exceptions are there, in part, to prevent exactly this kind of harassment. A service provider cannot be compelled to use them, however harassment is still prohibited conduct.

If a service provider chooses not to use an appropriate single sex exception then they risk unlawfully harassing their customers.

I can’t imagine any female only nudist events exist in the age of gender ideology! Anything like that would have gone completely underground and be private parties only.

There was a female only yoga event In London.

That’s good. The last event I saw advertised locally (which was an art workshop involving breasts) was advertised for ‘anyone who self identifies as a woman’

I didn’t go. Unsurprisingly!
It might even have been cancelled, I forget now.

Of the general population in prison, only 18% are in there for sexual assault data.justice.gov.uk/prisons , but according to this article www.womenarehuman.com/male-inmates-moved-out-of-womens-prisons-back-to-mens-prisons/ it is approx. 50% of the transgender inmates who are in prison for sexual assault, so can we PLEASE let go of the HUGE LIE that transwomen are less likely to assault women than men are?

And hi LangCleg. Welcome back.

None of the males in my family would walk through an open plan female changing room

That's because they are decent male people who respect women and our rights to privacy and dignity.

If a service provider chooses not to use an appropriate single sex exception then they risk unlawfully harassing their customers.

They do.

I just called. Got the whole, depressing speech about the women being removed if they weren't comfortable, and that these transwomen needed ZERO paperwork to prove their transition.
I recorded the call, it's shocking tbh.

...women being removed if they weren't comfortable

Hmm that's interesting.

Did they say where they'd move women? Or just remove them?

About recording the conversation - is that allowed? Or did you have to tell them? I'm sure I've read something re having to declare you're recording a convo.

I've emailed. Waiting for a response. Will follow up with a phone call. We're booked in for May. I might cancel.

Yes, whoever isn't comfortable is offered another room...
Recording is allowed, they record the calls themselves.
They couldn't even answer the most basic questions. I'm looking into how to edit it as they asked my name at one point..then I'll post it.

I'm looking into how to edit it as they asked my name at one point..then I'll post it.

It'd be an enlightening conversation to hear, but don't get yourself in to strife posting it.

I'm looking into how to edit it as they asked my name at one point..then I'll post it.

It'd be an enlightening conversation to hear, but don't get yourself in to strife posting it.

But obviously if you can post safely, it would be very useful!

Sorry, posted too soon.

Recording conversations is 100% legal...there was no 'expectation of privacy' and they themselves are recording it.