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Woman cringingly apologises for considering gender critical ideas

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NotTerfNorCis · 27/10/2019 21:30

She sounds terrified and desperately repentant, like someone who has strayed outside a cult and is frightened of the consequences.

goddessandhearth.wordpress.com/2019/10/25/i-was-a-terf-for-a-month/

TERFs aren’t feminists. Or rather, they are, but only in the same way that the Westboro Baptist Church are Christians – they’re using it as a front for their bigotry and don’t care who they hurt.

I was kicking myself that I didn’t know. I already knew about SWERFs. I didn’t know that TERFs and SWERFs went hand in hand. And I hadn’t looked into SWERFery as I didn’t want to know.

I still don’t quite understand how I got sucked in, even temporarily. My mental state aside, I guess it’s what I have coined “ingrained transphobia.”

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 27/10/2019 21:37

Loving her description of Miranda as a transwoman who doesn't believe she is a woman.
So poor old Miranda doesn't get the right to self identify!

Karabair · 27/10/2019 21:40

Obedience is a very unattractive quality in a woman.

'I didn’t want to disagree with my friend who I really respected, looked up to and wanted to be friends with."

It's about sidling up to whoever is the most popular girl in the room. TERFs and SWERFs aren't popular so she now has to recant her heresy.

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 27/10/2019 21:40

I find it so strange, and kind of sad, that women will fall over themselves in this way to centre males in their feminism and publicly self flagellate if they dare to stray away from doing this.

NotTerfNorCis · 27/10/2019 21:40

I was looking for her rebuttal of GC ideas, but all she's got is 'terfs are evil and mystical gender essences are real. Also, swerfs are evil even though I don't know what they believe in'.

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Karabair · 27/10/2019 21:42

Oh my goodness look at her bio:

"About

Woman. Wife. Mother. Bisexual. Ambivert. Demisexual. Pagan. Surrendered. Creative."

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 27/10/2019 21:43

Omg, Karabair.
Do you think she is getting a weird masochistic kick out of the abasement?

Pota2 · 27/10/2019 21:43

Oh yeah I saw that. I bet it has something to do with being told literally daily by TRAs that you are disgusting scum who belongs in the bin, less than human, trash, fascist, neo-nazi etc. I work in a job where my own colleagues regularly say stuff like that. They don’t know my views because I darent tell them but yeah it gets depressing being told that, even if you know deep down you’re right.

Not sure why it caused her such trauma though. I have not ever felt traumatised reading realist, radical feminist arguments based on material reality and committed to getting rid of gendered stereotypes.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 27/10/2019 21:43

What does ambivert mean?

Pota2 · 27/10/2019 21:44

Okay. Surrendered. Wtf. And the wife/mother thing doesn’t sound very woke and progressive does it? Hmmmmm

Pota2 · 27/10/2019 21:45

It’s someone who’s a mixture of introvert and extrovert I think.

FWRLurker · 27/10/2019 21:45

I am quite confused how she has seen NO HATE for terfs on Twitter.

Like.

There are entire series of memes saying terfs should die / kill themselves. STFU. Anime girl with hand gun. Etc.

But I guess that’s not “hate” because it is “self defense”?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 27/10/2019 21:46

Ah you mean like a human being.

HerFemaleness · 27/10/2019 21:46

In the about section.

''Woman. Wife. Mother. Bisexual. Ambivert. Demisexual. Pagan. Surrendered. Creative.''

Yes Pixie, we can tell.

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 27/10/2019 21:47

It reminds me a bit of when the actress Debra Messing posted some vulva cupcakes on International Women's Day and got piled on because it excluded 'women who don't have vaginas' ie Men. Her response?

'Thank you for righting my wrong'.

Woman cringingly apologises for considering gender critical ideas
NotTerfNorCis · 27/10/2019 21:49

If she's 'surrendered' then right wing Christianity should be right up her alley.

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umbel · 27/10/2019 21:50

Isn't being a surrendered wife a "thing"?

Karabair · 27/10/2019 21:51

"I am quite confused how she has seen NO HATE for terfs on Twitter."

She doesn't know how to use the Twitter search function or Google.

Karabair · 27/10/2019 21:51

It is a thing. It sounds like it's her thing.

BarbaraStrozzi · 27/10/2019 21:53

Yes a quick scoot round the rest of her webpage reveals someone with some rather unusual views.

But for me it's always been about the practical consequences.

Do you put Karen White in a women's prison? (And if - as was done - you put White in a women's prison where he then goes on to sexually assault several of the female inmates, what do you say to those women in defence of your decision?)

Do you let transwomen with all the physiological advantages male puberty gives them compete in women's sport?

Do you say to a woman who's been raped and finds being around male bodies traumatising "No, you cannot look for or set up a women-only rape survivors' group to help you heal"?

Do you put a child who's expressed discomfort with their sexed body on puberty blockers then cross sex hormones?

My answer to all these questions is "no."

Beyond that, I don't really care. You want to believe in gendered souls? Fine. Knock yourself out. I don't share your belief, but beliefs themselves don't hurt people, it's the practical consequences of acting on beliefs that matter. You want to wear whatever you feel like? Crack on, I'm happy with that. You want to engage in activities and hobbies usually undertaken by the opposite sex? Also fine. I've spent over 50 years doing just that too (though I don't find I have to think of myself as male in order to do so).

NotTerfNorCis · 27/10/2019 21:57

I wish she'd see this thread and come to talk through why she disagrees with gender critical feminism. Somehow I can't see that happening though. It's all about emotion and repenting thought-sins.

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Waterl00 · 27/10/2019 21:58

That's sad to read, and the TRA friend she has thanking her underneath is the unavoidable twitterer, Grimwade.

Grimwade caused much amusement recently by twittering about experiencing "menaporsal" (sic) symptoms because too skint to buy dodgy illegal hormone patches for a few months. No doubt Pixie could empathise with that temporary menopause in your 20s as a when coming off cross sex hormones as this is perfectly normal gender non conforming stuff, eh? We should be encouraging our kids to consider this life course as "valid".

TheNaughtyStep · 27/10/2019 22:00

Perhaps she's a Surrendered wife of someone who has recently transitioned?

littlbrowndog · 27/10/2019 22:03

Cripes so much time to be writing and thinking about this stuff this woman

Bored me to death reading it
How boring to actually live it

Dull as fuck tbh

NotTerfNorCis · 27/10/2019 22:07

Hey LBD! Welcome back. :)

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HandsOffMyRights · 27/10/2019 22:12

This reminds me of the Rose McGowan video, which in turn reminded me of a hostage video.

Is SWERFery a 'thing'?