Second Shelf books, at it again

[MrsSnippyPants]

Compare and contrast:

The literary and journalism community in the UK is transphobic apparently. Yet TRAs are gloating over the death of a journalist.

She is very invested in this ideology.

There are a lot of people with misogynistic views who hold down difficult jobs, or run small businesses. I don’t need to feel sorry for them.

'Or perhaps being a niche, independent book-seller is a bloody thankless, marginal existence.'

I am sure it is. And perhaps slagging off your potential customers online and saying you don't want their money is a really bad business strategy but that doesn't mean you have the right to do it and then nobody talk about it.
I used to love the Silver Moon and make special journeys to go there. I am grateful for this thread because I would rather be warned in advance so I don't waste my time doing the same with this place.

Arnold more than that - if she her crowdfunded stated that she was raising money for a feminist bookshop then it could have been fraudulent.

Get another job then, instead of trying to change the meaning of feminism,. Which is also a thankless. marginal existence. But we don't get credit for what we do generally, we get called terfs.

Also second shelf books is neither unthanked or marginalised, she has had some excellent media coverage and she raised tens of thousands on a crowdfunder. She has a shop in the middle of Soho, hardly marginal. Your pity, if you are not second shelf books yourself, is misplaced.

That's a really unpleasant way to behave. I hope she has paid you back every penny.

And if indeed she doesn't want our business surely our just not shopping there in the first place is easier than her having to process a lot of returns and refunds. So we're giving her what she requested and saving her some bookkeeping work.

There are a lot of people with misogynistic views who hold down difficult jobs, or run small businesses. I don’t need to feel sorry for them.

You may give your money to any shop or service-provide that aligns with your own ethos. That's how it works.

Most feminist bookshops have decided to be inclusive, the ones that aren't , as a pp rightly point out above, found they didn't have enough custom to survive.

Make of that what you will, but MN FWR doesn't get to define feminism in the real world.

Who does get to define feminism then ebooksarebooks?

Men? Males?

Mumsnet is in the real world, a lot happens here from women talking to one another.

Which other feminist bookshops are there by the way. I don't know of any, "inclusive" or not.

MN FWR doesn't get to define feminism in the real world

Neither do businesses in soho.

Silver Moon closed in 2001 due to rising rents. What is your evidence for implying it is due to their approach to trans inclusion?
It seems highly unlikely to me that at that date it would have been anything related to that.

If your feminism includes males then it's not feminism. It's called egalitarianism.

MN FWR doesn't get to define feminism in the real world.

Do you really want to talk about who 'gets to' define words? really? There's a lot of discussion on these boards about that, if you are genuinely interested.

Ah yes, 'inclusive'. Funny how that word now seems to exclude women who don't believe humans can change sex and that feminism is for women.

Inclusive of penises. They don't think their buzzwords through do they?

As you're all so keen on dictionary definitions: Woman, adult human female; I'll give you the OED's definition of feminism.

3. Advocacy of equality of the sexes and the establishment of the political, social, and economic rights of the female sex; the movement associated with this (see note below). Cf. womanism n.,

And that's what I'm fighting for. Sorry if I'm womaning wrong.

This thread seems to bother you e. Why?

Second shelf isn’t “inclusive.” It excluded all the women branded as T**Fs.

I was a customer and one of many women I know who contributed to her crowdfunder

I don't know anything about this shop but are you saying women contributed to this woman's business and are now having their generosity and good faith thrown back in their faces via misogynistic language?

That's a really unpleasant way to behave. I hope she has paid you back every penny

Just like the loos at the Old Vic!

good-o

Women's liberation. That's where it's at.

Can I also add that it made me laugh to visit Second Shelf Book's brand new shiny website, including promotional blurb about and photos of the proprietor, but no actual books for sale on the site. Priorities I suppose.

That’s liberal feminism e and you’re welcome to practice it - if course you are.

Radical feminism is liberation from the Patriarchy. Much more exciting than mere equality.

You should give it a try

Don't know who the women were who ran Silver Moon or Libertas. Their self-promotion skills must have been lacking.

We can all cherry pick but what stands out on the paragraph you picked out? What REALLY Stands out?

Oh that would be no mention of gender but sex. Feminism is for women not men

This thread seems to bother you e. Why?

I was eating a late lunch, and bookshops and the running thereof interest me. Bother is probably the wrong word, I'd go with intrigued.

And I don't think a thread where everyone agrees is very interesting.

Just like the loos at the Old Vic!

That's a good point. Apparently it's fashionable amongst the 'woke' to defraud decent people from their hard earned.

Don't know who the women were who ran Silver Moon or Libertas. Their self-promotion skills must have been lacking.

That's certainly food for thought! Perhaps a couple of threads on here extolling their virtues to the proper feminists could have saved them.

I don't think that they were around when FWR started. I visited Silver Moon after it was moved into Foyles, but there wasn't much feminism left on the shelves by then.

Why are you giving the impression that you couldn't care less that we lost two feminist bookshops. Lots of women-centred, lesbian centred enterprises and organisations have fallen by the wayside.