Amber Rudd says 'sexist' Brexiteers are backing Boris Johnson's deal 'because he's a man'

[DoctorAllcome]

This is an article on Yahoo News today.
It’s a given we have sexism here in the US (no female president yet), but I thought sexism might be less prevalent in U.K. because you’ve had female PMs and Queens. What do you UK moms think about Amber Rudd’s statement?

uk.news.yahoo.com/amber-rudd-sexist-brexiteers-boris-deal-130112906.html

Here’s a bit of the text:
“Amber Rudd has accused Brexiteers of sexism over their support for Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal.

The former Work and Pensions Secretary, who resigned from the cabinet last month in protest at the Prime Minister’s approach to Brexit, claimed there was a “whiff of sexism” about the way Brexiteers were supporting his deal despite its similarities to Theresa May’s proposals.

BBC Radio 5 Live host Emma Barnett asked why members of the European Research Group of MPs would accept the deal from him and not Mrs May, and suggested it was because “she is a woman and he is a man”.

“It’s difficult not to share that view,” Ms Rudd responded.”

I was actually thinking something similar in the back of my head.

Its more than a whiff...its a stench

Very probably.

I think this is very much the case in the HoC in general, however. And there's no party so misogynist as the Labour party of which I was a faithful member for over 40 years - until they threw women completely under the bus.

I was wondering when this was going to come up. May tried and failed and Boris swans in with his johnson and doors start opening.

Since reading this, I looked at some more articles on Johnson’s deal and it is eerily similar to Mays deal. Even the part where there is a two year transition period where the U.K. stays in the EU customs union and single market from 2020-2021 was an early May proposal that was shouted down as a betrayal and “soft Brexit”. I think ERG including Johnson called it a “Brexit in name only”. Now Johnson is proposing the exact same thing!

Only difference I see is that while May left the Irish backstop open ended pending a future FTA, Johnson has given it an end date of 2yrs after the end of the transition...so 4yrs total. One little pen stroke.

Am I missing anything? Because it looks, smells, and walks like a sexist....

I totally agree. The change in behaviour and attitude in people like Rees Mogg is staggering.

Nothing but revolting sexism. I can't say I'm surprised.

Johnson's deal (from what we know if it) is massively different to May's. It will take the mainland UK fully out of the customs union and the single market at the end of the transition period. It's a very hard brexit, which is why the ERG may well go for it (and we don't know that yet). May's UK-wide backstop shackled the whole UK together. Given the Good-Friday Agreement it meant it would be almost impossible for any part of the UK to leave the customs union, and have an independent trade policy. It was brexit in name only.

Yes classic glass cliff theory. Give a senior woman an impossible task. Push her off the cliff when she doesn't manage it (because people don't let her) then put a man back in charge to supposedly get the job done. It's disgusting.

Maybe? But I don't know that they are very similar.

It's also quite possible other things were at play. People may simply have decided they aren't going to get anything better after all. And I think whatever you think of Boris, he's more charismatic than May was by a fair bit, and I'd not be surprised if he was able to make use of more political dirt as well.

Real or not she’s foolish to try and present this as such. Just makes her look like a fool and whinging woman complaining about sexist on the men.

On the face of it the deal that Boris has turned up with what might be a highly similar to the one May did - which he and the ERG voted against and are now encouraging others to support.

It could be sexism. Or maybe he’s just done a better job of getting the votes. Or more likely in my view because of purely timing and it’s at the absolute death where some Brexiter MPs have finally realised if they don’t support it then there’ll be a 2nd referendum or remain. It’s more likely to having less than 2 weeks left and the alternative legislation that has been brought in where he’ll be forced to request an extension

Real or not she’s foolish to try and present this as such. Just makes her look like a fool and whinging woman complaining about sexist on the men.

It's very convenient that this is an argument that is used all the time because it puts women in a no win situation. Say something and you're just whinging and weak, even if it's true. Say nothing and it's a case of 'well, it can't be that bad, otherwise someone would have said something'.

Women, know your place.

Mays deal might prove to have been the only one available. But whilst not popular then the penny has dropped. Theoretically there was time to improve it when she presented it but now there is not. She can take the piss rightly if it happens to be they’re almost identical.

What’s even more ironic is that May was never a popular choice but got the job purely because most of the Tory MPs considered Boris to be an even worse option

It's my understanding that the two year transition period would be part of any deal.

I do understand the point but don’t agree with her because these sexist MPs would have not given May the job over Boris and all the other male candidates in the first place

They might have given her the job though if they wanted her to fail, so that one of them could swoop in and boost his own career.

I won’t dismiss that theory completely but Boris and Gove did throw their hats into the ring and only withdrew knowing they’d be humiliatingly defeated hence why she was ‘anointed’ with no final run off.

I don’t think it was a conspiracy. The others had too many enemies despite having a lot of supporters where as May seemed to have few real supporters but not many staunch enemies so she just kind of fell into it

And let’s not pretend she was shit, woman or not. Boris hasn’t had enough time to prove he’s worse

Plus this set up to fail then swooping in was a terrible plan if it existed. Did they plan to lose their absolute majority in the GE and have to kiss DUP arse due to May leading one of the worse campaigns ever such as being too terrified to have a TV debate with Corbyn and robotically repeating strong and stable?

But is the strong and stable mantra any worse than the get Brexit done crap Boris keeps manically repeating?

Is this little outburst of angry manfeels about the "whinging woman" going to continue for a while? Cause if so I'm blocking the thread.

Of course that's why they're going for it. Johnson's deal is actually worse for the UK than May's was, but he's a MAN so gets the applause and the backing.

I think it's more the fact that we're so close to the deadline, it's this deal or no deal. Back when May presented her solution, there was still some hope there was time for something better, but Johnson has put us over a barrel by saying the UK is leaving at the end of the month no matter what.

@ Fiddlesticks,
Mays deal took everyone in U.K. except NI out of the single market after transition (services so no freedom of movement).
Also that either the U.K. would just stay in customs union only (goods) for a “limited time” past transition until FTA done or that there would be an Irish Sea border between NI and rest of U.K.? BJs deal just inserts “2yrs” where I have written “limited time”

Both deals are technically a hard Brexit as prereferendum many Brexiteers were saying in a soft Brexit, the U.K. would stay in the Customs union and single market but only leave the political union of the EU for reasons of sovreignity.

Good point @Caucho and @DreadPirateLuna on how the impeding 31 Oct deadline is putting pressure on the U.K. to take it or leave it. (It being the deal). I think May had said that before her final loss & resignation, but now it’s two weeks away instead of five months, so MPs must be feeling the heat.