Can we take a moment to appreciate Piers Morgan

[mooncuplanding]

If anyone watches GMB, you will see that Piers Morgan is trying to advocate for women by challenging trans issues - in sport and awards ceremonies etc.

There is a petition to have him fired for being 'transphobic' yet he is quite courageous is saying he is not in agreement about the rights of transitioners to go into sport, to cancel the female category at awards ceremonies.

Although he seems a bit conflicting about how he actually deals with trans people in general, I for one, appreciate his courage to continue to talk about these issues. Especially on such a big platform.

[Charliethefeminist]

Y I think so. Gloria Hunniford got bashed for slightly demurring, as in, I don't think she even said anything, she just looked a bit uncomfortable. But now a prog like LL could make a lot of difference. If India W has any sense, India will be networking like mad to ensure it doesn't happen. Tho ITV has always had a thing about India, due to surgery possibly. When that goes, the sky has really fallen.

[Aderyn19]

Piers Morgan is now the father of a daughter. I think a lot of men change their stance on women's rights when they become fathers of daughters and are faced with the reality that their children won't enjoy the level of privilege that they have taken for granted all of their lives.
I can well believe that he is sincere on this issue because ultiultimately it will affect him too, via his child.

[DuMondeB]

Anyone getting this debate out to a wider audience is doing something worthwhile.

I’m more team Joe Rogan than Team Piers Morgan when it comes to middle aged white men talking about womens’ sport (shout out to Zuby - not middle aged or white) but ain’t no one listening to just us - look at fucking Flora, when they know it’s women that do the majority of the supermarket shop. Twonks.

I suspect contract renewal will be based on viewing figures (I bet they go down when PM is on holiday) rather than a frothy petition but right now, I’d rather have Piers Morgan than Phillip fucking Schofield.

[TheProdigalKittensReturn]

That's a good point. A lot of men gleefully exploit women their whole lives, then have a daughter and are horrified by the idea of another man doing the same to her, because she's theirs and that means her life is worth something. Some eventually realize that other girls and women are people too, some don't.

[Charliethefeminist]

Piers Morgan is actually intelligent. Philip Scofield is a bit of a dim drip.

[mooncuplanding]

@bemoremagdalen

Your first response was "Nah, I'm good"

You see "Piers Morgan = misogynist ego maniac" without even listening to what has been said. That progressed to "women have been talking about this for years....and why should I sudden;y appreciate that a man has spoken out"

What did you want from the chatter that you have had over the last few years? Would you have preferred it if someone like Piers Morgan Big Gob just ignored the issue? I don't get it, really I don't - what is you want from the chat that goes on on here?

[AlwaysTawnyOwl]

He’s got a big audience and he’s on our side on this issue. For that I’m grateful - imagine the damage if he had been a TRA.

[MockersthefeMANist]

Piers Morgan proves that a broken clock can be right twice a day.

Mr Phone-Hacking deserves little credit.

[Pieceofpurplesky]

Hmmm. He picks and chooses. He wasn't supportive of a young woman with Aspergers with his attack on Greta Thunberg or Megan Rapinoe or Ariana Grande and many more.

He picks a topic that will be controversial and will get him attention. IMHO he has no interest in women's rights, just his own ego.

I can't praise a man for doing one good thing when he has done so many bad ...

[ArnoldWhatshisknickers]

Piers Morgan is a human being who has done things I disagree with, phone hacking, dodgy shares, and things I agree with, standing up to the US gun lobby, standing up to the trans privilege lobby.

At least he isn't cowering in a corner desperately repeating 'TWAW' as if that will somehow make the lie true.

[zafferana]

I'm glad he's spoken out on this. I don't always agree with him, but I appreciate that he will say the things that most people are thinking, but are too afraid to say. I'm willing to bet that 90% of the UK population agree with what he's saying, but hardly anyone dares to say it, because the backlash is so vicious and terrifying. Who the hell is going to stick their heads above the parapet apart from someone like Piers who doesn't give a shit if he's controversial and who has made a career for himself out saying exactly what he thinks. His support of Trump was completely indefensible, but I like that he's speaking out on this and I liked that he called out Meghan Markle for her social climbing and using the media for her own ends. So cheers Piers from me!

[mooncuplanding]

Hmmm. He picks and chooses

Don't we all?

[Charliethefeminist]

Nowadays you can be a bit of a leftie, even voting Conservative or being socially conservative. Especially now. He's not a socialist but he believes in reasonable social redistribution through taxation, ending the scourge of racism, that identity politics is ridiculous ie knows that structural discrimination exists and needs political action to end it, despises the elite who ignore swathes of people outside the chattering classes,and more, gun control etc. He's been childish and unkind too but on the whole he's sound. Left wing nowadays means socialism and identity insanity.

[Pieceofpurplesky]

But this is a thread about him - not us. So yes he picks and chooses what he wants to be vocal about to win him fans

[Ninkaninus]

I agree with you that he deserves credit for this, and regardless of his motivation it is very important that he’s talking about it. We need as many people as possible to wake up and see the horrific situation that is developing. We must have free speech.

[BeMoreMagdalen]

mooncup your title is 'Can we take a moment to appreciate Piers Morgan?' to which my response is 'I'll pass on that, thanks.' I haven't called him a misogynist, I've called him an egotist. Which I stand by 100%.

My objection was based on this being an appreciation thread. Which I have repeatedly explained.

And given that I have involved in activism in a number of different venues, including this week talking about my experience of rape in hospital so that hopefully it never happens to another woman, you can stop fucking patronizing me by referencing my 'chatter' on here.

Your inability to grasp the point I've made, and to paint it as tribalism and just a silly woman who only wants to chatter on MN, and even to suggest it means I don't support women's rights has made me extremely angry this morning, and that's not good for anyone, so I'm going to go and do something constructive and let the wiser regulars have the useful conversation about how to capitalize on this new platform, which is what the thread should have been set up as.

[Ninkaninus]

Oh let me just correct that: it isn’t happening, we’re already there.

[mooncuplanding]

So yes he picks and chooses what he wants to be vocal about to win him fans

If being against trans ideology wins you fans - why isn't everyone doing it? They are not, universally. Everyone in the media is terrified of speaking out about it, for fear of being seen as a 'bigot' and being a bigot apparently doesn't win that many fans?

[Charliethefeminist]

He's not a racist misogynist. Jesus.

[MarieIVanArkleStinks]

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

This guy deliberately picks fights and Twitter spats with people because it keeps the lens of media reporting firmly upon him. Thereby, it keeps him 'relevant' and constantly reminds people he's there (as if they needed reminding). He will say anything - absolutely anything - as long as it's controversial and keeps him at the eye of whatever media storm happens to be blowing at any given moment.

If there is one man who decidedly doesn't give a flying bison's bum about women and women's rights, it's Piers Morgan. He's one of the few people out there who is even more objectionable than Jeremy Clarkson. And that takes some doing.

[deydododatdodontdeydo]

Agreed joyfullittlehippo.
He'll have a pop at anyone he considers "snowflakes".
Blimey, you'll be lauding Katie Hopkins next.

[Charliethefeminist]

'He'll have a pop at anyone he considers "snowflakes'

How do you mean. Like, which people does he say are 'snowflakes' that you would disagree with. Or is it just the word 'snowflake'.

[Needmoresleep]

Racist, misogynist, transphobic....

What is it with all this name calling. We should all be able to say what we think, and be prepared to be able to justify our views if others disagree. And similarly be prepared to listen to others, then decide whether we agree of not.

This whole idea of having to agree 100%, and signing up to be unthinking allies, is what got us into this mess in the first place.