Posie Parker Interview

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Is anyone else aware that Posie is doing an interview with controversial youtuber, j.f. gariepy? didn't expect to see that...

does he believe brown WC women should be legally compelled to touch penises and testicles against their will?

No, he proposes states where we don’t exist at all.

My question: does he believe brown WC women should be legally compelled to touch penises and testicles against their will?

From the interview I heard, it wasn't apparent.

Posie was heroically trying to bring the conversation round to gc stuff and women's rights - but he clearly had such derogatory views of women I'm not sure it would even register on his radar. From memory, he just sort of sniggered, and nodded when she talked her talk - so I think he probably agreed with her on the "TW are not W" front, but he barely added a comment himself. (Possibly I missed bits, because my ears were still ringing with his misogyny).

IMO the term "white feminism" is just another silencing tactic, that acts to divide women, and place them in categories. Categories that can then surreptitiously have a category of males "identifying as women" added to them - "black women, tall women, transwomen...."

Radical feminism has been conscious of intersections of feminism with class and race for as long as I have known about it - which is way before TRAs started calling themselves "feminists" and started calling actual radical feminists (like Julie Bindel) "terfs".

White feminism isn’t used to get you to stop talking at all imo, the opposite actually. To think about wider implications outside the bubble and discuss them.

When you align with someone on a feminist issue who wants to get rid of all people of colour to create a white state, you’re actively disregarding women of colour from your feminism imo. People like him preach hate against all people of colour - including women.

Yes, he's a racist, anti-semitic, white supremecist. Basically a nazi, imo, and I don't use that word lightly.

I don't align with him (and I'm pretty sure Posie doesn't either. Having a conversation/interview =/= alignment).

IMO the term "white feminism" is just another silencing tactic, that acts to divide women, and place them in categories.
I think buzzwords like "white feminism" are called thought terminating cliches.
It is common for a white male to use the accusation of white feminism in an effort to silence a black woman on twitter. It used to be uncle tom, and then it was oreo, and now it's white feminism.

Also, the name of this particular logical fallacy is guilt by association.
Stsly! You can look it up.

early so dude wants to deport anyone who isn’t white from Quebec? Or stop immigration? Or what?

I’ve been accused of “not wanting trans people to exist” merely for stating that I will only have a female HCP do my cervical smear.

Heritage Foundation - I disagree with pretty much everything they say. But “drain the swamp” is supposed to be about getting rid of “fat cats in Washington” et el - not POC as a group. I’d be interested to see evidence to the contrary, if it exists.

thought terminating cliches - yes - that's exactly right!

And I've seen black women called "white feminists" on twitter too - unbelievably when they have a clear profile pic of themselves. It's been said to Jana Cornell, who tweets about her experience of FGM - but that's way too "terfy" for the twitter TRA - who act as if it's some sort of privilege to suffer fgm because she's a "cis woman" apparently

(There really are some absolute fuckers on twitter, eh? Fancy acting like fgm is some sort of cis privilege??)

FWIW, I do see racist or problematic things on the GC side sometimes - Jana Cornell, Bon qui qui and others have been called it out. It does exist.

But I believe it deserves discussion on it’s on thread, not just as a tool to filibuster this one.

No one here is “aligning” with this dude. No one. Not one person. FOH.

PP (and anyone else) is not “disregarding me from their feminism” (!!) by merely talking to this asshole.

But that’s it from me, I’m only contributing to the filibuster by giving it oxygen.

But “drain the swamp” is supposed to be about getting rid of “fat cats in Washington” et el - not POC as a group.

In fact I'd go so far as to suggest that very few of said fat cats are POC. But we're ruining Early's carefully constructed narrative built up over many months about how FWR is a haven for evil people who're ruining the "gender critical movement" by being too gender critical, proven by something something Posie Parker, and that's not nice.

Oh, the "fgm is cis privilege" person. It's not often I want to literally reach right through the screen and smack someone, but in that case...

People used to get interviewed by people whose ideas they disagreed, or even hated, all the time. When did this become a sign that you were associates or allies?

Actually most alt righters & feminists are in complete agreement on trans issues,

Nonsense.

Alt righters believe in pink and blue brains just like trans rights activists, they just believe they are attached to female and male bodies. That is, wimminz have soft feminine brains that make us like dolls, people, and bad at math and men have manly brains full of industry and logic.

The only difference between a TRA and a MRA is that the former believe a pink (feminine) brain can somehow miraculously appear in a male body.

Feminists agree with neither. We realize sex does not determine someone’s personality or mental capacity, beyond what sex stereotyping and socialization accomplish (or at least that we cannot determine what is “natural” in that regard and members of both sexes are clearly capable of various intellectual and emotional feats).

Earlywalker I agree with you. It’s quite depressing to see the surge to support someone who time and time again has shown her true colours.
For the person who said we all need to unite (basically get over our concerns about racism etc) do you honestly think that people of colour can just ignore the fact that people like this dude literally want to see them not exist? I mean if that is what you think then I hate to use the term white privilege but that is it in bucketloads.

And FWRLurker you are so right. The alt right is not in the slightest bit gender critical. Gender critical does not mean you don’t think men can become women. It means dismantling patriarchal structures that enforce gender on women. There are many people who claim to be GC due to the trans issue but they are anything but and firmly believe in gendered sex roles.

I haven’t listened to the recording but I ain’t surprised this guy wasn’t too interested in the pro woman message. I mean what the fuck do you expect? Reminds me of Katie Hopkins cringingly trying to charm Milo by mentioning how she hates feminists etc and the guy didn’t budge an inch. It’s embarrassing. Well maybe now some of his basement dweller listeners will buy a t-shirt so mission accomplished of sorts.

People keep saying he doesn’t want black / brown people to exist - what is the evidence of this? I.e. what exactly does he want - to kill me, deport me, or stop people like me immigrating?

2B you can exist but preferably far away. He’s a white nationalist. I don’t think there’s any mileage in trying to defend his views as they actually are abhorrent, even if he doesn’t call for extinction or anything. In any case, it would surprise me if a feminist message board was bending over backwards to defend an out and out racist.

I’m not defending this asshole at all. No one is (unless maybe the person who said everyone in Quebec is like that!?).

If anyone (having watched the video) thinks he is not an asshole I’d be very surprised.

In a world where:
“I prefer a female HCP to do my smear” = “omg you don’t want trans people to exist!!”
... I prefer to know whether someone wants me dead literally or just doesn’t like us.

He wants to create a white ethnostate, he has videos explaining ‘why’ too. E.g, whites have a higher IQ etc.

If you can stomach it, have a look through his YouTube channel.

It’s not a case of agreeing or defending his views. It’s more a case of ‘oh well, we should still speak to him and get our message across’. Why? He hates women. Why do you want someone like that on side? It isn’t a numbers game. Loads of people support reinstatement of the death penalty but it’s not going to happen. What the public actually thinks isn’t that vital here and you don’t actually need to engage with people with abhorrent views, especially when you can express your own position coherently and rationally in a national newspaper. This is for PP’s own game. Sadly, it’s tarring others with the same brush and preventing progress.

People used to get interviewed by people whose ideas they disagreed, or even hated, all the time. When did this become a sign that you were associates or allies?

I think because the point of YouTube is to get more hits for your channel and more subscribers (because that earns you more money) then the benefits of interviews like these are to the host, rather than the guest. If he is notorious for his views then his viewers are very likely to have the same attitudes as he does. So, the benefits would have helped his influence on YouTube.

I've seen interviews like this before (there's another awful Christian fundamentalist who goes onto campuses in the US and holds debates about abortion, rape etc) and I've seen him interview feminists on his channel. He tries to argue with them on air but not that successfully. What he does do is wait until the interview has ended and then, once the guest can no longer reply, sets about ridiculing them and pointing out just how wrong they are.

In this instance I can't see how it benefits the GC argument at all. Either he agrees with what PP says, in which case it looks like the GC argument is part of a wider racist, anti Semitic, misogynistic argument or he disagrees with her and encourages his followers to do the same.

I can't see what a "win" here looks like for PP.

Okay, in that case he is not only an asshole but a white supremacist, despicable asshole. I wouldn’t want to talk to him myself. I don’t feel harmed by someone else doing so though (as long as they don’t agree with him!).

In fact I'd go so far as to suggest that very few of said fat cats are POC. But we're ruining Early's carefully constructed narrative built up over many months about how FWR is a haven for evil people who're ruining the "gender critical movement" by being too gender critical, proven by something something Posie Parker, and that's not nice.

Precisely.

I notice that the interests of the children of these dreadful people that may watch this awful bloke's awful YouTube channel are being completely elided too.

Every person, no matter how reprehensible their politics, need to have awareness raised about genderism's queer theory infused dilution of child protection.

Or are we saying that the children of right wing parents can fend for themselves because nobody will speak to their parents to inform them?

genderism's queer theory infused dilution of child protection

But of course, the What Posie Did narrative allows Early to ignore this entirely, doesn't it?