Posie Parker Interview

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Is anyone else aware that Posie is doing an interview with controversial youtuber, j.f. gariepy? didn't expect to see that...

It’s about the decision to put the trans agenda above all else and being ok with that, even if it means giving credibility, publicity and revenue to a misogynistic white suprematist without even questioning his views.

This sums it up.

This thread also shows up the oft repeated lie on here that feminism is about all women - this thread is clearly showing that in fact it's only about some women and in fact first and foremost the posters on here are about transgenderism and if some groups of women have to be sacrificed along the way then so be it.

A lot of people on this thread are acting like mean schoolgirls. It's quite shocking actually. People can disagree with something you think is ok without being "comrades", TRA, needing to go away and educate themselves in philosophy or being lolled.
I'm instinctively uncomfortable with gc people appearing on white supremacist channels but have said that what others choose to do is up to them. It just means I would never share anything or buy anything from Posie, and thats fine there are plenty of other ways of getting the message out there.
While no one on here is responsible for what Posie does I do think there is a nastiness and a gang mentality sometimes that is totally unessecary.

oft repeated lie

This isn't something I could say based on what I've read here on FWR.

I sleep perfectly well at night.

I am not the one pretending.

To insinuate that simply by not repeating your conclusion I am somehow complicit in helping to spread evil, is despicable.

I am very aware of racism and what it can do. As a child my dad escaped with his parents from a horrific massacre in which 2 million people were killed... due to racism.

If you cannot respect that people can hold different views to you, then you are intolerant and no one is fooled.

I just find it utterly baffling, doing it for the good of women so she can have a female-only refuge? That is great.

But doing it with someone who thinks that woman’s husband should be allowed to rape her?

With someone who thinks the only other women in that refuge should be the same colour as her?

Doesn’t sit right.

I’ve already said you’re free to do what you want to do. You can be fine with that and not uncomfortable with at all but I’m not and won’t stay silent.

You can be fine with that and not uncomfortable with at all but I’m not and won’t stay silent.

But coming here and saying look what this woman has done, isn't it awful. Is both pointless and petty.

Go and say it to her!!

Seriously early. Posie is the one with the voice, the following, the megaphone. What's the point of spending days saying how awful she is here, to anonymous random women, instead of talking to her.

What's the point of saying to entrenched views? It's the ones reading, becoming increasingly uncomfortable with what they see, can make their own minds up important to reach in my opinion

With someone who thinks the only other women in that refuge should be the same colour as her?

I don't understand where you and other posters think you get off making this leap that anyone who appears in an interview like this must necessarily be a racist or want to "throw black and jewish people" under a bus.

Many people, including black and Jewish people, do not think that appearing on shows like this, or talking to racists, or having interviews with such people, or even having questionable people make money from said interviews, is doing that. There are many activists from those communities who have over the years been willing to be engaged in some way with such people.

I can only imagine you wouldn't accuse them of being racists, even if you thought that their methods would be ineffective. Why would you assume that was true then of someone else?

It really flummoxes me that it is somehow ok to paint all non-white people as having the same views on political strategy, as belonging to a tiny part of the political spectrum, or to ignore the views of those who don't agree with that narrow spectrum of professional activists. Have you really never seen a Jewish person sit down and talk in the media with an anti-Semite, either about that topic specifically or about something else? Because it happens.

But somehow if a white person does it, they must be racist, when they hold the same view?

As for this business about funding people through going to their channels. As has already been said, not everyone thinks that is significant. If I were inclined to boycott media it would be Youtube I'd boycott, not any particular person using the platform, I don't think the funding issue is significant enough to warrant that kind of response and it exists far more seriously in the mainstream media, which also enriches all kinds of questionable individuals and lobbyists.

If you disagree and that's important to you, that's fine, but again, you cannot from that make the leap that people who disagree about that are racists. It simply doesn't follow.

Go and say it to her!!

Why though? I honestly do not get the point of people constantly intoning this.
“Go tell her/she’s on Facebook/why are you talking about it here?”
It’s baffling, we’re talking about it here because it’s a discussion board and we discuss loads of public figures and what they do here yet we never get told to ‘go say it to him/her’ about anyone else.

And why is it said only when she’s being - even mildly - criticized and not when she’s being yay-ed and ovaries-of-steeled all over the place?

Again, I don’t get it, but I guess it’ll remain one of life’s mysteries.

Again, I don’t get it, but I guess it’ll remain one of life’s mysteries.

It's because, in my opinion, it's not about Posie being racist, as at least one person has admitted. It's about berating the women here for not denouncing her.

And not because she's racist. It's because she is an effective gender critical campaigner. That's actual issue. Alleged racism is just an excuse.

Hence upping the ante by telling the women here they must also be racist.

The same posters go on numerous threads attacking gender criticism.

Posie's main issue is children. She spends an inordinate amount of time campaigning.

Why don’t watcha and early and teq join forces and set up a YT channel called “Doin Feminism Rite.” You can engage with all the right people and no one icky, and we’ll all realise the error of our ways.

And why is it said only when she’s being - even mildly - criticized

She's been called a liar, a racist and someone who promotes white supremacy. That's not mild.

A lot of people on this thread are acting like mean schoolgirls. It's quite shocking actually. People can disagree with something you think is ok without being "comrades", TRA, needing to go away and educate themselves in philosophy or being lolled. hmm

Actually, apart from the fact you are obviously easily (selectively) shocked then I think that you will find that I am not the one calling people racist. Neither am I the one trying to divert attention from a vicious ideology that is going to detrimentally impact all women. If you are going to do this then it is best to have your arguments ready because chanting 'racist' is not an argument.

For all those people who think that the rights of some women are being 'thrown under the bus' in favour of others then consider that the transgender ideology is an existential threat to the very idea 'woman'. The implications of this wholesale re-categoristaion of humanity are actually too widespread for any of us to assess in full. But for those people who don't get this - yes they need to go away and really think about it, and I don't apologise to anyone for saying this.

@Goosefoot

Right wing politics generally tends to work on the view that certain kinds of social systems or hierarchies will always emerge naturally

Indeed, and if you cannot see why that makes makes it an intrinsically sexist point of view and more often than not a racist point of view I can't help you.

or that people who subscribe to that sort of politics are in favour of that kind of social organisation

It means exactly that. By all means if you can show me any right wing school of thought that wants to end structural oppression of women and people of colour rather than defend, apologise or individualise it I will stand corrected.

This thread is a classic example of how effectively trans-activism has been used as an issue with which to attack women.

The current form of trans-activism has artificially created a crisis which has put itself at the top of some women's priorities, above the work they would otherwise have been doing (that coincidentally might have required men to give up a bit of space or privilege).

And it divides women who would otherwise have been working with each other, by drawing some of them to work with men who do not have any woman's interests at heart and are overtly aggressive to particular groups of women (in this example, women of colour and Jewish women), because Trans Is More Important.

Who wins from this?

The current form of trans-activism has artificially created a crisis which has put itself at the top of some women's priorities,

It's not artificial. There is a crisis. If you cannot define the cohort on behalf of whose rights you are campaigning, you're fucked.

You cannot link together the disadvantage that women are under if you have to separate it into people who have, for instance, cervices, or people who are of childbearing age, or people who get raped. It's just people, with different areas of oppression. Instead of one people who are oppressed on the basis of sex.

That oppression disappears if you can call men women.

And, far from neglecting general feminism, women, in their hordes, are discovering it, for the first time.

The number of people visiting FWR is rising at a phenomenal rate. And they stick around.

And, in any event, I don't think it will take long. The general public is wising up to the entire issue, and the GRA reform is topical.

Indeed, and if you cannot see why that makes makes it an intrinsically sexist point of view and more often than not a racist point of view I can't help you.

What?

You can have societies that are completely ethnically homogeneous that develop social hierarchies, class hierarchies are a good example of this. And it's entirely possible to think that all people are universally valuable, and that still, social hierarchies will appear in any society simply as a result of different social roles. Or in the case of male/female issues, that the nature of sexed physical bodies will always be significant in social structures.

For that matter, you can make a very good argument that is precisely what we see in every society that has ever existed, and while Marx suggested that there is a way to smash that, and following him certain other groups, it's very unclear, empirically speaking, if that is actually possible. That's the root of the right argument, not so much that it's wrong to want a classless society, but that it is impossible, and so we need to always deal with the hierarchies that class differentiation will create.

Do you seriously not know any thinkers on the right who aren't in favour of racism and the oppression of women? And I don't mean by that, see it in the same way you do, because that is not the bar. That's just not historically accurate even just looking at the history of anti-racist or women's movements.

Neither am I the one trying to divert attention from a vicious ideology that is going to detrimentally impact all women. If you are going to do this then it is best to have your arguments ready because chanting 'racist' is not an argument.
If who is trying to divert attention? Me? Nope. People can disagree without having some kind of devious masterplan! Thats a little paranoid isn't it?
Not chanting anything either, actually. And, yes, I find the tone, patronising and derailing/ignoring fair points quite shocking on a board where there are so many academic and educated posters. But whatever. I will go and do something else with my day (day 6 I think for whoever is so keen to count them).

Why don’t watcha and early and teq join forces and set up a YT channel called “Doin Feminism Rite.” You can engage with all the right people and no one icky, and we’ll all realise the error of our ways.

See I don't understand this. Why is it so unthinkable that people could disagree with using a white supremacists channel to spread your message without being told to go and do it better if you don't like it?

PP appears to have been elevated to the position of some supreme being who can do no wrong. Blindly following people is a dangerous pursuit.

See I don't understand this. Why is it so unthinkable that people could disagree with using a white supremacists channel to spread your message

No, no. It's the leap to then claiming Posie is a lying, racist, white supremacist.

When she has explained, in detail, exactly how she ended up on that channel and why.

You misunderstand me, Datun.

I'm not saying the crisis isn't real, I'm saying it's been deliberately created.

I keep using the metaphor of deliberately setting the house on fire. The fire is real and has to be responded to, but it's also been started for the firestarter's advantage - eg because it forms a good distraction from something they're up to somewhere else. Or so they can appear with a bucket of water and play the hero. Or because it's they'd quite like to get rid of the house but they don't want the blame. Or whatever.

The current form of trans-activism has artificially created a crisis

It is not the form of the activism but the content of the underlying idea that is the threat. The type of activism merely shows that its adherents are blindly and aggressively attempting to force an ideology on the wider society for reasons of their own.

And they have some interesting allies:
GCHQ, The Labour Party, The Liberal Party, Large parts of the Conservative Party, almost the entire university network, the BBC, most of the liberal media (including Twitter and Facbook), Upfield and KKR and most of the global corporate network. Some elements of gender self-id are now present in Norway, Belgium, Argentina, Ireland, Portugal and Malta.

So, this artificial crisis is being engineered on a global scale by all the major planetary power-brokers who see a bunch of UK mums as a big enough threat to mount an attack upon them - that is shown by Floragate.

That was a nice try to minimise our very real concerns.

The fire is real and has to be responded to, but it's also been started for the firestarter's advantage - eg because it forms a good distraction from something they're up to somewhere else.

Oh, I see. I don't quite get it, though. The fire is real, and will annihilate women's rights. Purposely, deliberately, globally, and in great detail. I'm not sure what it's distracting from?