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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Posie Parker Interview

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wprice81 · 13/10/2019 23:23

Is anyone else aware that Posie is doing an interview with controversial youtuber, j.f. gariepy? didn't expect to see that...

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2BthatUnnoticed · 19/10/2019 08:27

watch the video = you enriched a racist and helped spread his odious views!! Shock

don’t watch it = your opinion is invalid, you are uninformed!! Hmm

TequilaPilates · 19/10/2019 09:07

watch the video = you enriched a racist and helped spread his odious views!! shock

don’t watch it = your opinion is invalid, you are uninformed!! hmm

And sums up the issue created when you agree to appear on the channel of such a controversial person.

People end up with a dilemma - they want to know what was said but don't want to support his channel by going to watch the video.

Of course she can do whatever she wants and talk to whoever she wants. But then people are free to form opinions about what her actions mean. Had she challenged him on his views that would be entirely different but from what I've read she didn't. People have commented on her Facebook page that when for example he said women commit violent crimes at the same rate as men she just smiled. So, to his followers that appears that statistic is true and she agrees with him. So potentially all 50 000 of his followers now believe this is a true statistic.

The other danger with appearing on YouTube is that it's the channel owner who edits the video - he could easily have edited that to send a very different message to the one that she wanted to convey.

2BthatUnnoticed · 19/10/2019 09:11

I did see comments re trans stuff. I also saw Posie challenge misogyny.

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TequilaPilates · 19/10/2019 09:25

2BthatUnnoticed

I don't understand. Where are the screenshots from? How are screenshots of a text conversation relevant to what was said in a video?

LangCleg · 19/10/2019 09:27

People end up with a dilemma

Yes, a fairly straightforward, if unpalatable, one. Let's put it bluntly.

A) Posie is clear that she'd rather talk to "alt-right" people if it means a chance that one less young woman will get her tits chopped off.

B) You are clear that you'd rather one more young woman gets her tits chopped off than anyone talks to "alt-right" people.

Everyone reading has the same, unpalatable, choice of the way to go with regard to tactics of spreading the word about the dangers of extremist genderism to young people. With regard to this thread, those arguing against you are clear about (A) while you are pretending that you're not saying (B).

TequilaPilates · 19/10/2019 09:27

Does anyone know, if I go into incognito mode on YouTube and then watch this video will it register as a hit on his channel? I want to watch but I refuse, on principal, to increase his revenue in any way.

BickerinBrattle · 19/10/2019 09:29

Yes, Early, I’m saying that Fox News is and has been far more dangerous to US politics than any You-Tuber, so yes I am seriously making that comparison. Fox News is not at all a mainstream news site; I think you must not be all that familiar with it if you imagine it to be on a par with, say, Sky News. Fox News is the vehicle through which the broad array of right-wing ideologues known as “America First-eras” — which includes white supremacy — gained political legitimacy and intellectual gloss.

The US population is roughly 350 million people, and Fox News is the most watched cable news network. Whereas this You-Tuber’s 50000 subscribers represents .0014% of the US population.

I truly do not know why you have such a flea in your ear about Posie Parker, one woman who none of us here on MN have elected to anything, to whom none of us have pledged any allegiance, who has no formal power unlike Fox News and no billions in her bank account unlike the billionaires funding transactivism, a woman with whom many on here have had disagreements, but — and this is the important part — who all of us recognize as being right now targeted for attack specifically in an attempt to set women against each other.

We’re not playing that kind of “gotcha” game, as it’s known in the US.

What we’re standing in is called: “solidarity.” Which is something different from “alliance.”

But back to Jennifer Pritzker: when will the trans movement denounce this horrid right-winger? Sometime before Pritzker’s gone through all those billions funding transactivism? Or will the movement wait until after all the money’s been doled out?

One thing decades of political organising teaches one to spot is opportunism.

TequilaPilates · 19/10/2019 09:34

LangCleg

And you are just out and out lying. If that's the only way that you can argue against me then it shows what a week argument you have.

How does PP talking to the alt right stop just 1 woman "having her tits chopped off"? The people subscribed to his channel already agree with her standpoint on the trans issue. Whose mind is she seeking to change?

If she wants to save that 1 woman then she needs to be talking to people who haven't yet heard her message, which aren't going to be the people subscribed to an alt right/white supremacists channel.

So, who was she hoping to convince by talking to him, on that channel? She was never going to be addressing a wide variety of people with different opinions was she? I really don't think any left wing people or anyone considering transing is going to be watching his channel.

zebrasdontwearbras · 19/10/2019 09:48

The people subscribed to his channel already agree with her standpoint on the trans issue.

How on earth can you know this?

There are some rw right Christians/conservatives who do agree with children transitioning. As unpalatable as it is, there is also a fair bit of homophobia on the right, and some would rather have a straight son than a gay daughter or vv.

In the Times, whistle blowers from GIDS have also reported children transitioning in the UK because they have experienced homophobia.

BickerinBrattle · 19/10/2019 09:49

No, if the audience is North American, it’s quite likely they don’t know much about the trans issue at all, most especially not about trans children, as there is nothing like the news coverage you have in the U.K. of the issue. Certainly nothing from a critical perspective, not anywhere.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/10/2019 09:49

I'm mostly staying out of this but I have to admit that even by the very low standard of logic that I've come to expect from Early and Tequila I'm struggling to see how they could believe that right wing media becomes less dangerous as it reaches an exponentially bigger audience.

Fox News is a big part of the reason America now has Trump as President.

LangCleg · 19/10/2019 09:51

Bugger. I forgot I flounced. I blame Boris, turning up on my tellybox at this time on a Saturday morning.

BickerinBrattle · 19/10/2019 09:51

Yes.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/10/2019 09:53

(Runs off to Lang's house, takes own breakfast)

TequilaPilates · 19/10/2019 10:03

I'm mostly staying out of this but I have to admit that even by the very low standard of logic that I've come to expect from Early and Tequila I'm struggling to see how they could believe that right wing media becomes less dangerous as it reaches an exponentially bigger audience.

I haven't even mentioned mainstream media so not sure how you reach that conclusion?

Were PP to appear on Fox news though it would be a different conversation to be had.

The argument that Early and I are having is not some far out, never heard before argument. Could you imagine in an election campaign for example any of our politicians choosing to go on such a channel? They would be very careful about who they appeared with, what media they appeared on for this very reason - the message that is conveyed and the fact that appearing on such a channel, and not challenging the views of the host, can be looked at as tacit agreement to those views.

At best I think PP was naïve to appear on here without conducting due diligence and I think most of you agree. You won't say so though because solidarity is more important to you than integrity.

Earlywalker · 19/10/2019 10:08

I never said large media is less dangerous at all, don’t put words in my mouth.

I said earlier in the thread it was large media that creates these racists.

However, When you go on an individuals YouTube channel it is one-on-one, the individual personally receives the advertising revenue you create and the publicity you create.

You cannot in good faith compare America’s largest news network to an individuals YouTube channel.

And lang I was going to respond to your absurd statement but then I realised, I don’t think you don’t actually believe the bile you come out with, you just hope others are stupid enough too.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 19/10/2019 10:09

And you are just out and out lying

oh look, a personal attack

which I'm not going to report because I believe strongly that people like Tequila should be given every opportunity to show readers exactly what kind of person they are

do continue...

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 19/10/2019 10:12

I realised, I don’t think you don’t actually believe the bile you come out with, you just hope others are stupid enough too.

oh look, another personal attack

people have woken up very much themselves this morning, haven't they?

on the plus side, only another 130 posts to go before the thread expires. I reckon with all the demands for a struggle session and random accusations, we should achieve that today no problem

2BthatUnnoticed · 19/10/2019 10:18

Teq that is Posie talking (writing) to people who had just watched the stream. Those comments are under the video.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/10/2019 10:20

Ah, but Bernard, I don't think Posie has even started writing her self criticism yet. We're probably going to need another thread.

TequilaPilates · 19/10/2019 10:22

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly
So Lang said this about me

B) You are clear that you'd rather one more young woman gets her tits chopped off than anyone talks to "alt-right" people.

Completely untrue. So according to you, I am guilty of a personal attack by saying that she's lying? She's not guilty of a personal attack by posting lies about someone though?

Ok. Good to see double standards alive and kicking on here.

And yes, let these posts stand so that everyone can see what you and Lang are like too.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 19/10/2019 10:22

We're probably going to need another thread

earlywalker · 19/10/2019 10:25

I hope you are too reporting the initial post that we responded too, in which they implied we’d like people’s tits to be chopped off and are pretending we don’t.
In the interest of all things fair 👍

TequilaPilates · 19/10/2019 10:25

2BthatUnnoticed

Closing the door after the horse has bolted tbh.

Is she going to continuously monitor the comments so that she can refute all of the comments? The video stands alone. Had she made the points, in the video, anyone who sees it, now or at anytime would have heard her. Now, anyone who watches the video will also then gave to go and read the comments to see what her views are (I never read the comments on YouTube videos, I just watch the video)

jennymanara · 19/10/2019 10:28

Fucking hell. People defending this are basically saying that black and jewish women don't matter.