Posie Parker Interview

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Is anyone else aware that Posie is doing an interview with controversial youtuber, j.f. gariepy? didn't expect to see that...

allison10

I'm not convinced by the hate crime statistics, not given the way that stickers with the definition of women are being investigated in oxford. I was reminiscing the other night about the times I've been attacked, just wankers throwing drinks and eggs, stones, spitting. All isolated instances to be sure, but random, were they motivated by hate? They can't be recorded as such.

No one hates you as a trans person, you are an individual with a personality to like or dislike as anyone else. No one thinks you personally want to hurt children, it's concern against an ideology. Many trans people themselves worry about the issue of puberty blockers.

Most of us are not Christians, and I'd say many of us are or used to be in the Labour party. We are concerned for rights of women and girls to have single sex sports, and single sex prisons and refuges.

I don't think Posie is dangerous but I'm not a fan and I don't have to be. This place is like that, we are not the Borg. I hope you stick around and read some of the other threads.

I wouldn’t talk to him (although presumably he wouldn’t talk to me - being a white supremacist and all).

PP has expressly said .. she isn’t a GCF (or in fact, a feminist at all)... and does not represent anyone but herself.

The “shock-horror” response from the left is hypocritical. They think no one sees their rampant misogyny and racism but it’s there, just not as directly expressed as by this racist asshole.

It’s incredibly disingenuous statement, I’m curious what the first thing that comes up when others google this man, as surely it can’t be the same as mine for her to say nothing about him appeared ‘concerning’

The majority of transgender identified males are loud proud misogynists and a significant number of them are abusers
I do think it’s unfair to make swooping generalised statements like this. To say ‘the majority’ do you know the majority? Or do you know a handful that interest you in your prerogative and perception?
The vast majority of trans people are just trying to get on with their lives and this is unfair imo. This is making it personal, the issue is not that most transwomen are misogynistic, the issue is that TW belong to the class of men that pose a threat to women and we don’t know who is a genuine person who poses no threat and who doesn’t, given especially that anyone can say they are trans and get access to women which opens it up to exploitation, alas the only solution currently available to keep women statistically safer in vulnerable places is to segregate by sex. No one wants you to go just have to go into the men’s either, third spaces where trans women and non vulnerable women can use if they wish would be a great solution.

allison I’m very sorry about what happened to you. And I don’t like the whole ‘allegedly’ undertones that some posters are trying, I believe you and I hope you can live your life free from harm and hate also.
Please don’t think this has been about you on a personal level, the majority of people here don’t have an issue with you or other lovely transpeople but it’s about allowing a system that is so open to exploitation to be implemented.

Talked to people with different views - great.

Having a conversation with someone who wants to create a white ethnostate without even challenging them on it - the opposite of great.

Not sure how accurate wiki bio is.

Talked to people with different views - great.

Having a conversation with someone who wants to create a white ethnostate without even challenging them on it - the opposite of great.

Well said.

Earlywarker,
Thank you for you’re posting. I do feel that I am a lone person here who is trying to put a view that not “ The majority of trans women are abusers and child molesters “ as one contributor claims. I do not lie at 65 years of age my memory is not as good as it used to be so I just tell the truth, I was attacked by a group of intoxicated women who being in a group felt brave and empowered to beat me up. For the records I did not report it to the police as I felt ashamed and believed that the police either would not believe me or just have a bit of a laugh about me behind my back. The incident does make me very wary of groups of girls who are out and about late at night following a bit too much to drink. I need to do some more research into trans women participating in women’s sports and the incidents involving trans women in women only prisons as my initial findings are a bit patchy so I cannot make a concise report. I’m sure that I will get many posts on here though. Just for the records I did find many instances of violence against women by women in prison. I do agree that there should be safe places for women to use washroom facilities and for me and certainly all my friends we always try our upmost to use the disabled toilet but I’m afraid in rare cases I have had to use the ladies as I would face more danger if I tried to use the gents.
I will continue to post my views on mumsNet in the hope that I can bring a sensible dialogue and I am very happy to answer any questions about my own journey to find happiness.
Thank you

Allison10 - nothing you've said on this thread has a) anything to do with its topic, to whit: Posie doing an interview with a US right winger, b) acknowledges anyone's interests but your own, and certainly not those of women; c) avoids the anti-feminist trope of appealing to female socialisation.

Why are you intervening in a feminist discussion if you have nothing to say about feminism?

The bit I'm not quite clear about is if Posie Parker has undermined the feminist gender critical message so much, how come it's people who generally oppose the feminists on here, who are complaining?

(Waves at monitors from Pink News)

Anyway, once again, I think the bloke who Posie talked to is a wanker but she does not work for me and can talk to whomever she likes.

And no, talking to someone does not mean you endorse their views. FFS.

Ahh the gatekeeper returns

Because datun for example, when I’m explaining to people why I feel self ID is a bad idea and people associate people who think like that as the likes of PP, no one pays any bloody attention to the actual facts and think I’ve been ‘radicalised’ by ‘right wing bigots’

Also when you see a bunch of feminists defending her talking openly with someone who wants states free of black women, without even questioning his views, to me it is disheartening and brings out an automatic defence mechanism. Anyone I know IRL would automatically be disgusted at someone feeding this man views, publicity and money without even questioning him, yet Posie is seen as ‘stunning and brave’ for it by those here, and I cannot get my head around that. At all. Ever.

Because datun for example, when I’m explaining to people why I feel self ID is a bad idea and people associate people who think like that as the likes of PP, no one pays any bloody attention to the actual facts and think I’ve been ‘radicalised’ by ‘right wing bigots’

Well in that case, you're doing it wrong.

Self ID is patently insane. And if people you are talking to can't see that, because some woman, some where, thinks it, but talks to right-wing people, then it's probably best to move on to someone with a little more critical faculty.

yet Posie is seen as ‘stunning and brave’ for it by those here, and I cannot get my head around that. At all. Ever.

Never mind. Try talking to people who are not amongst the 4500 who happened to have watched that video, and you'll be fine campaigning against self ID.

It’s not just ‘some woman somewhere’ though is it?

She’s made it her business to get a name for herself, fair play to her I’m sure she’ll continue to make a few bucks from it too. But that people here - who have nothing to gain, still support it, it’s just disheartening.

What would’ve truly been ‘stunning and brave’ would’ve been if, during an interview called ‘being female’ between a ‘feminist’ and a white supremest, if the feminist had maybe once given mention or thought to WOC.

yet Posie is seen as ‘stunning and brave’ for it by those here

Histrionics. Hyperbole.

Nobody is calling Posie stunning and brave, you banana.

People are saying Posie can talk to arseholes if she wants to and GC feminism isn't going to collapse if she does. And perhaps even, viewers of said arseholes might be alerted to the safeguarding failures that could endanger their children and that even the children of people who watch right wing arseholes on YouTube deserve to have informed parents.

But you just carry on with the fantasy that if Posie talks to an arsehole the whole movement to save women's rights and retain child protection will collapse. Cos it suits you to hope that someone will take this utter nonsense seriously, right?

I'm against PP appearing on a white supremacist channel, I'm not anti feminist (being a woman and all) and I don't know if she undermines the GC "movement" but it sure makes me uncomfortable.
It is not exactly supporting "no platforming" to say that either. No platforming would be campaigning against CNN interviewing a member of ISIS. When a news producer at CNN appears on ISIS's You Tube channel, then I'm wary as to the implications of tacit approval.
Most of you are never going to agree, and thats fine. We all draw our own line in the sand.

Nobody is calling Posie stunning and brave, you banana.

Have you even read the thread, you mango? Plenty of people are

It’s not just ‘some woman somewhere’ though is it?

It is if you are explaining self ID to people who have never heard of it.

You seem to be upset that Posie Parker is undermining your feminist, anti self ID activism. Whilst, simultaneously, going to great lengths to point out why, to you, her credibility is on the floor.

I, on the other hand, have absolutely zero problem with Posie affecting my activism. She doesn't. In the slightest. Funny that.

If Posie is affecting your campaigns, I would have thought the most successful strategy would be to not keep invoking her.

Whilst I like Posie personally and agree she is free to do it here way I do find her slagging off people that do things their way a bit tiresome. The political landscape in the UK has moved on significantly now and that's because of a many sided approach, so bashing others over their tactics and strategy misses that point. People working in policy, trade unions, law and politics have to work in certian ways, if you are outside that you can do other things, it all moves the needle in different ways.

If I was trying to talk to people about self ID and invoked Posie to prove a point I'd expect the response to be "who's that then?"

Which is why I actually explain the issues instead.

Ctrl+F "stunning"
No results except for Earlywalker's post (where they use quotation marks around 'stunning and brave' to imply it's quoted.)

‘Stunning and brave’ is what you all say on FWR to imply people swooning over others. Are you deliberately being obtuse by implying those exact words have to be used to achieve the same meaning?

A few examples from this thread:

I think Posie is courageous, forthright, funny and gets her message across to many women

I'm in awe of Posie and her ability to stick to the important stuff and ignore all derailing attempts. I aspire to be more like her.

far from it making me feel I can't speak out I find Posie, whoever she talks to, rather inspiring

I find it rather refreshing the way Posie will say it how she sees it to whomever wishes to speak to her. It gives me courage.

it's a really brave and interesting way to go

Good on her!
The woman has ovaries of steel

She's bloody brilliant

I dunno, the words “awe,” “aspire” and “inspiring” are swoon-ish I guess?

Otherwise - meh.

No one can deny PP is brave. There have been awful threats and doxing (of her kids no less) but she is unphased.

(Otherwise = “in relation to the rest of the commentary”)

I thought "stunning" generally refers to someone's appearance? That was why I was baffled that you said people had called her stunning and specifically used quotes?

Honestly, why don't you just type what you actually mean to say?