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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Second Shelf London

223 replies

lionheart · 12/10/2019 15:10

Anyone been watching this drama played out on the Twitter?

jaded millennial
@MillennialJaded

'A women’s bookshop I was interested in visiting is now openly ‘anti terf’ & they publically shamed someone they were following for tweeting an article on sport & trans. FFS this climate is chilling',

A little snippet from the shop itself (one of many on the issue):

'The Second Shelf
@secondshelfbks
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19h

'We want to be clear, we are uninterested in the transexclusionary feminist position! We understand there is discomfort w/ the acronym TERF. But this seems to be because the negative connotations don’t sit well with the position holder? Maybe it’s evidence of a terrible stance?'

OP posts:
BrendaLast · 13/10/2019 18:02

Is it "we" because more than one person runs the shop? Not so odd then

Only one person is mentioned but "we are tired" "we are in bed with chocolate and wine".

VickyEadieofThigh · 13/10/2019 18:22

Only one person is mentioned but "we are tired" "we are in bed with chocolate and wine".

Tends to hint at darkness in the soul, doesn't it?

testing987654321 · 13/10/2019 18:34

They do also say " books by women, all women, trans women and non-binary beauties in the world".
So, I am just trying to figure this out, :
books by women - makes sense
including trans women - okay, so we're including men who dress like women
non-binary beauties - nope, you've lost me. Are these women who don't want to be known as women but you actually know they are women so include them anyway?
Or men who don't want to be known as men so that by default makes them womanly?
Or either men or women who don't want to be known as men or women but are beautiful and that is a womanly feature so they class as women for the purpose of writing books?

How does this work? I'd love to know. I mean, it seems like nonsense to me, but do the people who say stuff like this think it makes sense?

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 13/10/2019 18:50

I think the 'we' thing is their personal pronoun. So that's ok. And not totally narcissistic. Confused

ScrimshawTheSecond · 13/10/2019 20:30

testing for goodness' sake, don't apply logic to 'non-binary'. It's literally made of logic-repelling juju.

We is we's pronoun? Well. We is confused.

littlbrowndog · 13/10/2019 20:33

I kinda wonder who gave them financial backing for this cos I guess rent and rates are very dear
Yet they are able not to take terven gold money ?
It’s a weird business strategy

littlbrowndog · 13/10/2019 20:33

Which only the rich could afford

Ereshkigal · 13/10/2019 20:43

I kinda wonder who gave them financial backing for this cos I guess rent and rates are very dear

I read that they crowdfunded

https://twitter.com/moviefeminist/status/1182722098185330689?s=21

ChattyLion · 13/10/2019 21:06

Sorry but how do these people live with their own cognitive dissonance? Why do they think there is an issue about women’s written work having been overlooked in the first place. Hmm

WrathofSIxFootSIxElfKlop · 13/10/2019 21:50

Crowdfunded to open up a womens bookshop only to turn away half of your customers.
The old Vic did the same with their fundraising for more womens loos.

Raising money for womens projects then shafting the very people it is meant to help.

littlbrowndog · 13/10/2019 22:02

From twitter

I work in Soho & am a feminist, writer & book buyer. I'd never heard of them until today's twitterstorm so I did a google. Opened in Nov 2018 using kickstarter funds of £32k. Annual rent is £20k. The landlord seems to advertising the premises to let...

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 13/10/2019 22:13

Ah that type. Crowdfunding yes but I bet there is a trust. Only trustafarians decide to crowdfund to open a right-on bookshop in Soho.

Us proles have to start with a chicken shop in Mile End Grin

TheAlternativeTentacle · 14/10/2019 09:06

thesecondshelf.com/about-the-proprietor
The owner, wrote this:

longreads.com/2017/12/15/this-is-how-a-woman-is-erased-from-her-job/

Fucking bizarre.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 14/10/2019 09:26

Why is she calling herself we if there's just her?

👀

Grambler · 14/10/2019 09:47

Why is she calling herself we if there's just her

Her, and the massive chip on her shoulder?

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 14/10/2019 09:56

longreads.com/2017/12/15/this-is-how-a-woman-is-erased-from-her-job/

if she wants to lean about erasure first hand, all she needs to do is carry on getting into bed with the people she's chosen to ally with.

IsadoraQuagmire · 14/10/2019 11:25

Her, and the massive chip on her shoulder?

GrinGrinGrin

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Flxwerpxwer · 16/02/2020 03:20

Lol I ain’t a bookshop owner, Im just some 20 year old who thinks that trans rights are human rights 💫💫 go ahead nd report me for breaking rules,, I don’t need some community to validate my shitty opinions 💖

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BitOfFun · 16/02/2020 03:44

What human rights do transwomen not have? I believe that everybody should be afforded respect and dignity as human beings. That is in no way threatened by acknowledging that a woman is an adult human female.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 16/02/2020 03:48

They can call themselves whatever ‘gender’ stereotype they want to, it doesn’t change the fact that they will always be the sex they were born as.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 16/02/2020 03:50

especially mothers wanting the best for their children What’s a mother?

Coyoacan · 16/02/2020 03:52

woke means respecting people and wanting them to have basic human rights regardless of gender, race or identity

But you happily tramp all over the rights of women, religious minorities, people with disabilities.