Interesting hypocrisy from the TRAs

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twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1180592610894700547?s=20

See, I naively thought that medical transition wasn’t a requirement, that it was literal violence to point that out in the case of Lily Madigan. But apparently it seems you do have to medically transition- otherwise you’re just a faker and a bullshitter. Well, if you were born female, in any event.

Meanwhile Lily lands women’s officer job without a single hormone taken.

Joss’s rebuttal consists of 'anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot. I won't say why because it's so obvious. Idiot.'

Which sounds like a very feline attitude, actually...

Since we're on the subject of cats, can I identify as a queen?

Not the Queen, obviously.

But if the sex-specific words for adults are "genders" then surely these shouldn't be limited to human-specific words (because that would be, um, furryphobic).

I've checked the definition of queen and I believe I meet all the requirements (of breeding age; unspayed; a few errant facial whiskers for verisimilitude).

An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

Surely the question then should be why the discomfort exists ? (speaking as a trans person myself - genderfree, since I think gender is useless bullshit)

Imagine if we were all working together to simply ditch the concept of gender, keep certain single-sex spaces for safety / practicality reasons but to have a world where men in dresses & makeup etc were simply taken for granted?

Well Fae is properly cross this morning and has had to wheel out the "far right Christian fundamentalist donation anti woman agenda" stuff again in support of compliants about "feeding" the press detransition stories.

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It is all so upsetting. Larson has steppen in too, to correct Prior. Nobody knows what's going on....

I would suggest that middle aged and elderly males who are transitoning/have transitioned are not the experts on the state of mind of females identifying as male.

Imagine if we were all working together to simply ditch the concept of gender, keep certain single-sex spaces for safety / practicality reasons but to have a world where men in dresses & makeup etc were simply taken for granted?

But how would trans people get to be 'stunning and brave' in that sort of world? And how would crossdressing men get their kicks if dresses and makeup were perfectly normal male attire?

In the mean time, Jane Fae has some unique ideas about feminism:

They – the gender crits – paint trans women as sexual deviants, while erasing the validity of trans men and non-binary existence.

Publicly, they endorsed a campaign that incited taxi drivers and bikers to use violence against trans people. Because they only wanted to talk.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180767618074058752?s=19

They – the gender crits – happily scooped up hundreds of thousands in funding

Obviously no one would throw round accusations like this with no evidence whatsoever. So I am assuming that there's a well- and thoroughly-researched article laying out the precise details and evidence of this funding stream somewhere that's unaccountably failed to come to our attention. No doubt they'll remember to link it soon enough...

They – the gender crits – paint trans women as sexual deviants

No we didn't. Stonewall did that, when they redefined trans to include a host of sexual deviants.

In the mean time, Jane Fae has some unique ideas about feminism: They – the gender crits – paint trans women as sexual deviants

In fairness, I have heard of one transwoman in particular being painted as a bit of a sexual deviant: Jane Fae. Usually this involves the despicable tactic of quoting Jane's articles in support of underage sex and violent porn.

Imagine thinking XY trans people might be sexual deviants when they are represented by such wholesome characters as, um extremist pornography advocate JF.

PS, where's my damn funding, the religious right keep ignoring me, 'snot fair.

Maybe I'm being ignored as I'm not so much 'gender crit' as 'gender? hahahahahaha, what a load of old shite'.

The "research" is mimmymum etc. trawling thought crowdfunders and getting excited about a few large donations. Because of course women can't make large donations on their own account (sexist much?).

Every time women pay for something important to them they smear it as apparantly politically incorrect funding sources. It's actually quite funny in a country with a conservative government and with a church going PM (as was at the time) who supported them in public.

And the name on these large donations is presumably "Evil Bigoted Right Wing American Christians' Foundation" rather than "Anonymous"?

If I were rich I'd be chucking a fortune at GC crowdfunders.

As it is, the closest I get to "right wing Christian funding" is an occasional pint from my uncle (a gender-critical freemason). And I'm arbitrarily declaring that the odd fiver I'm able to chuck at the cause comes out of the child benefit, and thus it is actually the eeeeevil socialist lefties funding the GC position.

Don’t be mean on fae. Fae is a feminist

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But money gained (via fibs and exaggeration) from pharma Companies, Big Business and lottery money is all hunky dory, but money handed over from individuals is dodgy?

What was the campaign targeting taxi drivers and bikers? That was the most 'huh?' moment reading Jane Fae's tweet.

I'm sure Jane Fae writes better than this as a rule. I haven't mixed them up with Shon Fae have I?

Was S Faye the one who moaned about talking to (shock horror) working class men? Or was that Madigan?

Either way I don't think my taxi driving neighbour needs targeting. He already thinks trans privilege activists are self centred bawbags.

would suggest that middle aged and elderly males who are transitoning/have transitioned are not the experts on the state of mind of females identifying as male

This. A thousand times this.

Middle aged AGP’s need to stay the fuck away from female ROGD teens. Fuck off to the far side of fuck, the lot of you.

Publicly, they endorsed a campaign that incited taxi drivers and bikers to use violence against trans people.

That thread gets the full house for rules of misogyny bingo. With a ton of snobbery chucked in.

Publicly, they endorsed a campaign that incited taxi drivers and bikers to use violence against trans people.

A Fair Play for Women leafleter from Moss Side talked to some blokes in her area.

You’d think Owen Jones would be disgusted by the snobby reaction from the TRAs. Apparently not.

A Fair Play for Women leafleter from Moss Side talked to some blokes in her area.

Yes, that's the one I was thinking of but don't recall any particular emphasis on bikers or taxi drivers.

The whole trans privilege movement is deeply classist though. Never the least consideration for people who aren't university educated, much less those with poor literacy skills, learning disabilities, English as a second language. If they did they would realise how unreasonable it is to berate people for using correct sex pronouns for a start. The thought that many people would find this a struggle simply never enters their pampered heads.

Well some languages some use them so tough shit! I get called ‘he’ sometimes by some relatives but don’t faint or call my lawyer.

Bikers? Didn't that woman talk to teenage boys on pushbikes?

Surely 'bikers' even if technically accurate suggests people on motorbikes, or even seeks to trigger mental associations with motorbike gangs?

I remember this! Of course the young lads on their bikes have somehow all become a more threatening version of Lemmy in Fae's retelling.

And Beeeee...(former mumsnet poster that ran away when women did not agree) is now saying this:

@Donna_Beeeee

Replying to @dall_giovanni @DebbieHayton and 5 others
Being the other sex is decided by society, not by a piece of paper.
Transition is a process of achieving social acceptance as a member of the “opposite sex”. Success depends on that acceptance.
Self ID is a bureaucratic process for getting paperwork changed.

12:19 AM - 6 Oct 2019
twitter.com/Donna_Beeeee/status/1180744352605310976

So, as the majority of society accepts that being the "opposite sex" is impossible then "transitioning" is the only state possible to acheive.