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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Interesting hypocrisy from the TRAs

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Pota2 · 06/10/2019 08:59

twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1180592610894700547?s=20

See, I naively thought that medical transition wasn’t a requirement, that it was literal violence to point that out in the case of Lily Madigan. But apparently it seems you do have to medically transition- otherwise you’re just a faker and a bullshitter. Well, if you were born female, in any event.

Meanwhile Lily lands women’s officer job without a single hormone taken.

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Tyrotoxicity · 06/10/2019 11:30

Could someone please tell me how I know someone is true trans before I have concerns somewhere I’m taking off my clothes? I don’t want to get it wrong.

A list of criteria would be very helpful.

Born bepenised = true trans; also arbiter of who is true trans.

I think that's about it, tbh.

CatalogueUniverse · 06/10/2019 11:36

Stonewall might help

TRANSITIONING

The steps a trans person may take to live in the gender with which they identify. Each person’s transition will involve different things. For some this involves medical intervention, such as hormone therapy and surgeries, but not all trans people want or are able to have this.
Transitioning also might involve things such as telling friends and family, dressing differently and changing official documents.

TRANS

An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.
Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

TRANSGENDER MAN

A term used to describe someone who is assigned female at birth but identifies and lives as a man. This may be shortened to trans man, or FTM, an abbreviation for female-to-male.

TRANSGENDER WOMAN

A term used to describe someone who is assigned male at birth but identifies and lives as a woman. This may be shortened to trans woman, or MTF, an abbreviation for male-to-female.

GENDER REASSIGNMENT

Another way of describing a person’s transition. To undergo gender reassignment usually means to undergo some sort of medical intervention, but it can also mean changing names, pronouns, dressing differently and living in their self-identified gender.
Gender reassignment is a characteristic that is protected by the Equality Act 2010, and it is further interpreted in the Equality Act 2010 approved code of practice. It is a term of much contention and is one that Stonewall's Trans Advisory Group feels should be reviewed.

Seems pretty clear then. Doesn’t mention anything about consistently appearing as the opposite sex. In fact I’m sure that’s part of the GRC process that is objected to.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 06/10/2019 11:45

Are you Julia Empress? Who was that imposter in the pub with you then?

EmpressLesbianInChair · 06/10/2019 11:48

That must be it. I expect it’s all an evil plot by Posie Parker.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 11:57

If I'm Ricky's cat I feel that he should be buying me treats.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 06/10/2019 12:04

I think that if your life would be improved by Ricky Gervais flipping you fish bits you may have some ishoos?

Pota2 · 06/10/2019 12:05

So under the Stonewall definition, Charlie was undoubtedly trans. But now that Charlie has detransitioned she was never trans in the first place. Joss, obviously you’re reading this. Can’t you see that there is a bit of a flaw to your argument?

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EmpressLesbianInChair · 06/10/2019 12:08

I think that if your life would be improved by Ricky Gervais flipping you fish bits you may have some ishoos?

Validation innit?

EmpressLesbianInChair · 06/10/2019 12:09

So under the Stonewall definition, Charlie was undoubtedly trans.

Under the Stonewall definition we’re ALL trans.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 12:12

Under the Stonewall definition my stepmother, possibly the least feminist woman on earth and utterly devoted to femininity, is probably trans, cause she plays golf and can put up shelves. Luckily my dad is also trans under the Stonewall umbrella so they're still a straight couple.

If anyone ever finds a person who's "cis" by the, um, rather expansive Stonewall definition then they'll probably turn out to be taking the piss to make a point.

LangCleg · 06/10/2019 12:23

Transitioning also might involve things such as... telling friends and family

Deary fucking me.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 12:29

OK, great. I hereby declare that I am an actual cat. I've now told friends, and my auntie has a MN account so that's family covered too. Behold, I have transitioned!

donquixotedelamancha · 06/10/2019 12:35

Can’t you see that there is a bit of a flaw to your argument?

Asking for logical consistency is transphobic.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 06/10/2019 12:38

If anyone ever finds a person who's "cis" by the, um, rather expansive Stonewall definition then they'll probably turn out to be taking the piss to make a point.

I think a truly ‘cis’ woman would have to be Stepford Barbie.

emerencemaybehopeful · 06/10/2019 12:39

Logic is transphobia writ large.

That twitter thread is awesome.

LangCleg · 06/10/2019 12:44

OK, great. I hereby declare that I am an actual cat. I've now told friends, and my auntie has a MN account so that's family covered too. Behold, I have transitioned!

As evil (trans species) twins, I believe this makes us Rumpleteazer and Mungojerrie.

Anyone who doesn't understand that trans species are Brave, Stunning and Most Oppressed is a gormless crank with right wing and fundie Christian funding. Sooner they own it, the better.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 12:48

This also means that I'm allowed to sleep most of the day, cause it's only natural and is a protected expression of my true feline nature.

TinselAngel · 06/10/2019 12:49

If we're all revealing our true identities, I'll be Kris Jenner.

OldCrone · 06/10/2019 12:56

Can’t you see that there is a bit of a flaw to your argument?

It's trans logic.

Trans logic is logic in the same way as transwomen are women.

SophoclesTheFox · 06/10/2019 12:57

Bags I be Janice Turner!

Ah, Joss, you love us here really. I mean, you think about us all the time Grin

I’d say that the lack of consistency was mind boggling, but to be fair, it’s very consistent that men are whatever men say they are, and women are whatever men say they are. That thread is never lost.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 12:58

We're all living rent free in Joss's head.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 06/10/2019 13:02
TemporaryPermanent · 06/10/2019 13:04

Charlie Evans said she was offered medical transition, and decided not to do that, and one of her concerns is the speed and ease with which medical transition was offered to her and others, given the lack of discussion about possible regrets and the hidden nature of detransition. We all note that small numbers who regret transition are based on stats from some years ago when transition was said to be something extremely rare, the GIDS network didn't really exist and the numbers were tiny.

I'm amazed that Joss is speaking up against this. Surely it is in all trans peoples' interests for people who are not trans to be excluded from the trans pathway as efficiently as possible, to increase access to limited resources for people who are actually trans, and to reduce potential detransition issues in the new world of higher numbers and febrile public debate.

I know for sure that Joss and I would disagree on pretty much everything about trans issues. Why is it never possible to find common ground?

EmpressLesbianInChair · 06/10/2019 13:13

I know for sure that Joss and I would disagree on pretty much everything about trans issues. Why is it never possible to find common ground?

Because anything less than total capitulation to trans ideology is unacceptable.

NotTerfNorCis · 06/10/2019 13:13

Jose's rebuttal consists of 'anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot. I won't say why because it's so obvious. Idiot.'

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