Join the mixed-sex loo resistance movement!

[WomanBornNotWorn]

Ideas for what we can do:

Theatres etc - go up to box office loudly asking 'where are the ladies'?' again and again as loudly as you can so the representative has to keep repeating the answer - if you're in a group, take it in turns for variety.

Ring an offending restaurant and book a table for six. Then ask 'I assume you have separate men's and women's loos?' then when they say no, say 'ah no, that doesn't work for us. I'll cancel that and we'll book at (name bitterest rival restaurant that does have separate loos) instead'. Get everyone you know to do it. Make sure you've blocked your number.

Come out of cubicle with full moon cup and wash it out in front of any men present (just pray they're not menophiliac).

Stickers. Lots of stickers.

Learn the statistics so you can recite the evidence of sexual assaults in mixed space etc etc whenever you're contradicted. 'In fact, Home Office statistics show that xx% ... ' etc.

Train your daughters to understand why we are saying no and to have the confidence to speak out. And your sons, too.

Men are getting it too

Yup. Women are afraid men will kill them. Men are afraid women will laugh at them.

When we raised safeguarding concerns that wasn't important, apparently. But now they see there's a risk we might laugh at them and their precious willies, suddenly mixed sex is a problem.

I mean yes of course we should leverage any support for single sex loos - But, seriously, men?!

Both late and selfish, but what else is new?

Fantastic, Ledkr!

I emailed my doctor's surgery (where the biggest poster is Allsorts') about their notice saying they don't discriminate on the grounds of the usual list but adding gender and omitting sex.

I informed them they had no right to rewrite the Equality Act, or to leave out a protected characteristic

I also said if there were to be a sex discrimination case against them they would probably lose because they'd specifically written that they don't include sex as worth respect.

They have corrected their notice.

We must get aware of the law and women and children's rights, and confident in writing and speaking to defend them.

@WomanBornNotWorn

As somebody who works in a theatre box office I can tell you that making your point to box office staff won't achieve anything. We sell tickets, we don't make decisions on toilets. If you repeatedly asked me where the ladies were I would think you were hard of thinking and something I could do without whilst busy working for minimum wage.

I don't disagree with the overall point and prefer single sex spaces. But please make your point to the people with influence. Go to the top, the chief executive. Don't harass box office staff.

As somebody who works in a theatre box office I can tell you that making your point to box office staff won't achieve anything.
why not? Surely you provide feed back to your manager - "I've had loads of women asking where the ladies toilets are - I think we need clearer signage".
Or, "I've had many complains about the mixed sex toilets"
"It's causing me problems"

Lucindainthesky's point to go to those with influence is well made.

Making life inconvenient for minimum wage staff isn't the same thing as making life inconvenient for managers.

One way to make life inconvenient for managers is to hit them where it hurts - their pocket, or their reputation (which is also their pocket, really).

Much better to raise awareness among the theatre going public (who buy tickets) for example, and make a fuss on social media than continually harass workers with very little - if any - influence.

CadburysTastesVileNow the school theatre trip is a huge issue now. The safeguarding risks are through the roof and I know that some teachers are stopping taking kids out because the risks are too big. With staffing levels at 1:10 on a trip, teachers would spend the whole time supervising toilet visits for both young girls and boys to ensure that predatory men do not find them.
The whole thing is lunacy and theatres are amongst the worst culprits. One of the most woke industries around, full of middle class muddle headed muppets who cannot see the wood for the trees.

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Just read this on Twitter and think we need single sex facilities even more now

It's well-known that men look for sex and masturbate in public bathrooms isn't it. I always wondered how they could stay aroused in such a stinky place.

I wonder if it works like Pavlov's dogs and eventually they find the smells of stale urine and bleach arousing by themselves via association.

Oh dear. That would further explain a certain fixation with bathrooms.

Come out of cubicle with full moon cup and wash it out in front of any men present

Jesus Christ, I'd rather not share a loo with women who would do this to prove some kind of point. If you need to wash it out, do so, but to bring it out full...why? Just why? It's things like this that really lose you support from many people.

Train your daughters to understand why we are saying no and to have the confidence to speak out. And your sons, too.

I prefer to teach my children to question things and think for themselves. I think 'training' or brainwashing them to think a certain way can be quite damaging.

But isn’t there also the problem of hidden cameras - how are the old vic going to deal with this
Before they changed to toilets to mixed sex at least a man could be challenged for bein* in the toilet
Some men gawd know why like to record women in toilets

www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/toilet-camera-pervert-strikes-again-128010/

MonChat, if you tip a full mooncup down the loo, the blood pools in the bottom of the pan and it takes 3-4 flushes to get rid of. I always empty mine by pouring the contents down the sink.

OrchidInTheSun

That is preferable to someone walking out with a cup of blood to tip in a sink I wash my hands in. Not sure about others, but don't put my hands in toilets. At home use the sink, in public toilets, I'm sure I wouldn't be the only woman to think this is vile and unnecessary. I have a few friends who use a mooncup, they wouldn't dream of doing this.

May have already been posted here...
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It's not blood - it's uterine lining. Only a teaspoon of blood per period! as my biology teacher was fond of telling us.

I wouldn't rinse it out at the sink because OBVIOUSLY you need to put it back in again.

But the point is that women do messy bloody stuff and our hands are sometimes bloody. And II don't want to be washing my hands next to someone who is going to make me feel bad about that.

@Downwind of course feedback can be given to management but how often do you think those at the bottom of the food chain are taken any notice of?

If it's something you feel strongly about then I don't understand why you wouldn't make your point to somebody higher up.

If you insist on making yourself heard to an underling then may I suggest front of house staff rather than box office? Toilets really have nothing to do with tickets.

Fortunately our theatre retains single sex toilets!

I wouldn't rinse it out at the sink because OBVIOUSLY you need to put it back in again.

OP did suggest walking out of the loo with a full mooncup and washing it out in front of everyone though.

But the point is that women do messy bloody stuff and our hands are sometimes bloody. And II don't want to be washing my hands next to someone who is going to make me feel bad about that.

Yep, but most women would clean up as much as possible using loo roll, not deliberately put on some kind of show to prove a point. I have never ever seen a woman come out of a toilet with wet blood over their hands, although I'm sure many may have some dried on their hands which they wash off. Noone would be disgusted by a woman doing this, in fact they probably wouldn't notice. What OP suggests is vile.

If you have sensitive skin or are prone to thrush or BV you really do need to rinse the moon cup out before reinsertion - wiping it out with toilet paper leaves fibres behind that you really don’t want internally.

If you are an organised person you can do it in the cubicle with a bottle of water, but clumsy and disorganised people would be better off using a sink, they are too bloody (pun intended!) expensive to risk dropping down the lav!

I'm not sure what's so vile about menstrual blood. Is all blood vile to you or just the kind that comes out of a vagina?

Some think breast milk and breast feeding is vile also, a long hill to climb indeed.

No woman should be told her own blood is vile.

Especially when, from what I've learnt lately,peiple eat shit?

What a strange strange world.

I've already said, if anyone needs to rinse it out they should. Pour the contents into the loo first. But to carry it full of blood isn't great. I really do not know anyone who would do this or want to do this.

I'm not sure what's so vile about menstrual blood. Is all blood vile to you or just the kind that comes out of a vagina?

I wouldn't want someone carrying a cup full of any blood really across a room and pouring it into a sink in a public toilet, nothing to do with it coming out of a vagina. I suffer from heavy nosebleeds, I wouldn't deliberately stand and let my blood drip all over something. I think most people keep their bodily fluids to themselves as much as possible unless you choose to share.

Some think breast milk and breast feeding is vile also, a long hill to climb indeed.

Not me. Breast feeding is to feed a child. OP was suggesting what she did to make a point.

It's a sink, traces of urine and feces also go down it when hands are washed. Unless you're rubbing your hands all over the bowl of the sink I'm honestly not sure what the problem is (and if you are, maybe stop doing that).

It's a sink, traces of urine and feces also go down it when hands are washed. Unless you're rubbing your hands all over the bowl of the sink I'm honestly not sure what the problem is (and if you are, maybe stop doing that).

Yes, traces of those things. We don't go putting lots of it down there. (And if you are, maybe stop doing that)

I think you need to stop pretending that we want women carrying cups of blood across the room, especially when it's to make a point.

Also OP wants us to tell our children what opinions they should have instead of teaching them to think for themselves and harass theatre staff etc. I don't mind mixed sex toilets but completely understand that some people don't like them but some of the OPs suggestions sound ridiculous.