Join the mixed-sex loo resistance movement!

[WomanBornNotWorn]

Ideas for what we can do:

Theatres etc - go up to box office loudly asking 'where are the ladies'?' again and again as loudly as you can so the representative has to keep repeating the answer - if you're in a group, take it in turns for variety.

Ring an offending restaurant and book a table for six. Then ask 'I assume you have separate men's and women's loos?' then when they say no, say 'ah no, that doesn't work for us. I'll cancel that and we'll book at (name bitterest rival restaurant that does have separate loos) instead'. Get everyone you know to do it. Make sure you've blocked your number.

Come out of cubicle with full moon cup and wash it out in front of any men present (just pray they're not menophiliac).

Stickers. Lots of stickers.

Learn the statistics so you can recite the evidence of sexual assaults in mixed space etc etc whenever you're contradicted. 'In fact, Home Office statistics show that xx% ... ' etc.

Train your daughters to understand why we are saying no and to have the confidence to speak out. And your sons, too.

Thank you Erishkigal

How do these people get on to speak, who dont represent anyone else, only their own agenda (aggressive commercialism)

Was there anyone there actually representing women?

No point in having women there who are not clear about the issues.

I'm not using a she wee in those circumstances.

I don't have a penis that can be directed out of a zip-fly. Neither do I have appropriate garments for inserting it whilst feeling unexposed.

Women's clothes are not designed for shewees, yet another thing we'd have to buy and pay tax on for every single wee. Whilst men arw catered for.

No sex discrimination there atall

was he the one who did the preamble about all the mixed toilets in the home? i think he is a contractor/builder/designer who is keen on 'the way of the future' as a sales pitch.

Yes he did start with that ridiculous statement. Whoever he is, he said that he advised Councils all over the country.

I'll try to listen again- it may be worth getting in touch with him to give him some advice of our own

Ah, another 'self-appointed expert'

I’ve been enjoying the loo site someone upthread suggested. They say you can add notes to say if it’s single or dual sex loos (because I asked).

Answers to 'but you have a unisex/mixed sex /gender neutral loo at home, so what's the problem?'

I know every single person who comes into my house.

Everyone is here with my permission.

If I wouldn't want them in my loo they don't get to enter my house.

I know exactly who to blame if there is pee on the seat/floor and he won't be doing THAT again.

Same with molka cameras.

I’ll add a suggestion. Sending FOI requests to public bodies that move to them asking to see the impact assessment.

Start with the DfE.

They've made our toilets at work gender neutral and I absolutely hate it.

Complain. Complain. Complain some more.

You know as much as I understand why a lot of women don't want gender neutral toilets, as a disabled person I've had to deal with them for some years along with the abuse of them.

My feeling is that the whole design of toilets in public spaces needs to change so that there is floor to floor privacy (and perhaps a sink) in every cubicle so that noone has to share.

I don't mind toilets like that @catwithnohat. I have a child with a disability so I have used them.

They are very expensive though.

Gender neutral is meaningless

This is about sex, and nothing else.

Lets stop pretending how you prefer to dress is in any way relevant

I go intonladies sometimes wearing head to toe 'gender neutral/unisex' clothing.

I still yhe female sex loo facilities, my clothes have fuck all to do with this.

Neither does whether I am wearing makeup, or fuckibg 'girly' earrings.

Gender stereotypes are harmful, toxic and a load of ol baloney frankly.

I've got mixed up, that post was supposed to be on the aibu thread then I read this one and posted it

Just a thought. .. I wonder if being able to use any loo, with none being a specifically private female space, might actually reduce the thrill of being somewhere forbidden, so the kink aspect would ... shrink?

Or would the possibility that there might be a woman being private and vulnerable in the the next door stall make it all the more attractive?

A sign has appeared in the ladies at work (local authority) saying that anyone can use whicbever loo they feel comfortable with WITHOUT CHALLENGE I have emailed HR to inform them that I will not be told what I can challenge in my life, informed them that they need to install floor to ceiling doors and also sanitary bins in the mens for when I feel like I'd like to use them when I'm menstruating.
The posters came down the next day.

Ledkr that’s fab!

I do think that a large majority of these organisations have half heard something about gender neutral “stuff” and think We Must Do Something, without thinking of all the implications. It’s a shame it’s up to feminists to make them think!

People do get all excited and want to jump on the bandwagon. They don’t actually think about the implications or what the background of this is.

If you tell people what the proposed self ID means - day to day life and the much publicised extremes (bunce, white etc), people do start to think.

Amidst the range of great GC articles in today's press the wonderful Caroline Criado Perez has written this for the Sunday Times. Share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/women-cant-win-when-it-comes-to-loo-queues-l3szkbxhx?shareToken=69dbb1523800df913fe80e8ffb8a666a

Great article in The Times. Voted on the pole and glad to see 93% against mixed sex toilets

Poll!

Great work Caroline

That's promising in terms of the impact kicking up a fuss might have. TRAs have been relying on women sighing and making do. So let's not do that.

Men are getting it too. They may have chortled/ it cared/not got it before (hoho a man in the ladies loo!) but now it’s ‘hang on - I’m having a pretty and women and little girls are walking past/queuing/pointing and laughing etc...

Men just don’t want their willies out/ men in a confined space where there are girls/young women around (dear god they are terrified of speaking to kids in case people assume they are up to no good).

God spellcheck...To recap:

men -
peeing -
What??? eek woman/little girl in same room??!!!
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