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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Anal sex for 13 year olds? Warwickshire again...

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Whatisthisfuckery · 25/09/2019 20:46

I’m offering this without comment, mainly because my jaw is still on the floor.

twitter.com/hubblevicky/status/1176758148721512448?s=21

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Ereshkigal · 26/09/2019 18:46

Ugh, if I'm venturing into AIBU with the sex industry cheerleaders I need a bloody drink.

More like casual cool girls on there. "I had anal sex at 16 and loved it". They're not as invested as the FWR kind of sex pos.

Antibles · 27/09/2019 00:55

I honestly couldn't blame any girl for identifying as a transman when she realises this is what sex has in store for her as a woman.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 27/09/2019 10:06

It's either that or join a nunnery.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 27/09/2019 10:19

May also explain why younger people are having less sex than previous generations.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 27/09/2019 10:21

If everything I was seeing about sex framed it as something to be endured rather than enjoyed I'd be having a lot less of it too. Those poor girls.

CTRL · 27/09/2019 10:27

This country make me sick sometimes. Only Britain could come up with something so pervert and stupid !

I’m sick of it.
ANAL SEX !?! At 13 !!! Angry

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 27/09/2019 10:32

Poor girls indeed.

It really depresses me. I went through puberty at the height of the AIDS epidemic. We had good reason to be scared of sex but this stuff is appalling. It does not describe normal, healthy sexual relations at all. And yes, there is such a thing as normal and healthy. Why the hell schools can't manage to describe that is beyond me. They managed, for the most part, to protect us from fucking AIDS.

poshme · 27/09/2019 11:02

I have just looked at the site. First page i read was about sexting. Mainly how embarrassing it might be if you accidentally sent a sexy pic to your parents by mistake.
It doesn't mention that taking sexy pics of under 18s is illegal, and sharing them is actually sharing child porn. Punishable by prison.

Shit. It's awful.

MsTSwift · 27/09/2019 11:31

Hopefully young girls will vote with their feet. Our job as parents to empower them to be strong and sneer at this pervy abusive shit and see it for what it is.

Cuntysnark · 27/09/2019 12:31

Can I suggest Jeremy Wright & Matt Weston are contacted? Anyone more linguistically talented me have any ideas for a template? Are safe schools alliance into this?

www.warwickdc.gov.uk/info/20007/your_council/457/local_mps_and_meps

North Warwickshire MP’s are Marcus Jones & Craig Tracy, I’m assuming their areas are covered by it.

LangCleg · 27/09/2019 12:40

Let's get some actual data about the reality on the ground for teen girls:

bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/8/e004996

This study, Anal heterosex among young people and implications for health promotion: a qualitative study in the UK provides some.

The study participants were 16-18 year olds and the girls reported anal heterosex as "painful, risky and coercive", while the boys reported feeling pressured into persuading girls to do it, even though they didn't much like it.

The study bemoans the fact that anal heterosex is not in school curricula - but not because it's normal and natural, but because school curricula should be about enabling girls to assert their boundaries and boys to resist peer pressure about sexual activities.

SO FUCK OFF WARWICKSHIRE, YOU GROOMING FUCKWITS.

TruthOnTrial · 27/09/2019 12:51

....here here...

And...same to promoting sexting, eating shit, vomitting shit, fisting, felching, necrophilia, beastiality, strangling, and all the other fetishistic toxic sexual practices that defile women and girls every minute of every day.

Cuntysnark · 27/09/2019 12:51

SO FUCK OFF WARWICKSHIRE, YOU GROOMING FUCKWITS.
I’m rather liking that.

littlbrowndog · 27/09/2019 15:04

So is grooming where stuff like this is normalised.
?

I really didn’t know that but now I can see this
And the bit where if a girl only wants to see a female doctor the girl should have a think about that
That’s implying that the girl is in the wrong

Datun · 27/09/2019 15:41

Yes littlbrowndog, that's how I understand it.

That normalising the abnormal is breaking down a girl's natural resistance to something dangerous, coercive, unpleasant or that she doesn't want.

The example above of sexting demonstrates it.

Sexting is illegal and is generally intimidatory to girls.

If this information is making it all fun and games, and isn't it a laugh, just don't let your parents know - that's red flags everywhere. Making girls feel that if they find it scary and intimidating, it is they who have the problem. Boundary erosion.

Ereshkigal · 27/09/2019 16:48

We're getting told off by people on the AIBU thread for calling it grooming.

LangCleg · 27/09/2019 16:58

We're getting told off by people on the AIBU thread for calling it grooming.

Too close to the bone, eh, AIBU.

Dog - grooming is traditionally seen as the actions of one individual gradually seeking control over another individual (usually one with less power and/or status).

Here, we're taking the models and language developed by child protection and the women's sector to describe the ways in which queer theory has gained pernicious influence and is using the same tactics and strategies but on a societal rather than an individual level.

So here - no need for an individual to groom a child: institutions have already done it.

It's the same with, say, complaining about the mods here on FWR acting as agents of coercive control on a wider scale than the one-on-one domestic abuse it was developed for.

Or the ways in which we apply the concepts of gaslighting and DARVO to transactivism - again, language taken from the women's sector analysing one-one domestic abuse and recognising the same dynamics and strategies in a social movement as a whole.

Open your eyes, AIBU.

LangCleg · 27/09/2019 17:02

So, for example, here is the Duluth wheel. Developed to analyse one-on-one domestic abuse. It's excellent for understanding the dynamics of one-on-one controlling abuse. But look again: is it equally useful for understanding the dynamics of extremist transactivism? I think yes, it is.

Anal sex for 13 year olds? Warwickshire again...
Rachelover60 · 27/09/2019 17:51

It is definitely grooming, what's more it's weird. I can't imagine why children need to know about anal sex - learning to enjoy it, etc. If I bashed my head against a brick wall twenty times a day I might start liking it but it wouldn't make it right.

MsTSwift · 27/09/2019 19:01

This guy that wrote this drivel needs to be on the receiving end of a teenage girl Hmm sneer and “think it’s just you mate” comment so he can slink off back under the rock from whence he came

traceyracer · 27/09/2019 19:06

I'm going to play devil's advocate here and my view may not be popular, but is it possible that they aren't encouraging or condoning underage sex in any way, but are simply accepting that there are teens out there who are going to engage in sex anyway and ensuring that if they must do so then things like condoms and "harm reduction" advice is available?

I think it's comparable (kindof) to illegal drugs like cannabis etc. I don't recommend anyone uses an illegal drug but I do accept there are lots of people out there who will do so. And I do think it's important we have orgs ("Talk to Frank" is one of them) where people can find out information on drugs including how to use them as safely as possible.

And I think it's very important young people feel comfortable to talk about and seek advice about topics such as sex and drugs. Britain traditionally has a very uptight hush-hush "no sex please, we're British" attitude which I don't think is helpful.

Rachelover60 · 27/09/2019 19:13

They do need to know about how to take care of themselves with sex and relationships but do they need to have fetishes and perversions taught to them?

isabellerossignol · 27/09/2019 19:13

I don't think most 13 year olds would, of their own accord, fancy giving felching a go, even though they haven't heard of it. Putting out information implying that it's just something that people like to do is normalising some pretty niche behaviour. When you add that to the breaking down boundaries stuff (eg why do you feel uncomfortable about porn? Stop being such uptight killjoy girls!) then you're on pretty dangerous territory.

The only thing that 13 year olds truly need to know is that 1) sex can lead to pregnancy and stds and 2) you don't have to do one single thing that you're not comfortable with.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 27/09/2019 19:16

I object to safeguarding for teenagers being equated with up tight hush hush no sex please, we're British

We used to protect children under 16 from sexual contact (and older for certain groups). Why have things changed to the extent that people believe it's OK to argue that children below the age of consent should be groomed by this inappropriate material? The law states that below the age of 16 children are not able to give informed consent. It's not negotiable yet people post on here are arguing it ought to be??

littlbrowndog · 27/09/2019 19:19

I also think asking a girl to have a think about why she wouldn’t be comfortable with a male doctor is implying she is wrong

Why does she have to justify that to anyone and why does she even have to have a think about it

Is it not cool to say that you don’t want a male doctor doing a intimate examination cos that seems what was said

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