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Safeguarding in UK Schools - new Statutory Guidance + existing classroom programme teaching 6yr olds to masturbate

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MoleSmokes · 24/09/2019 16:58

I am going to link to a part of another current thread ("Writing to Your MP") and try to bring the discussion here in case it gets lost over there or ends up dominating the thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3698659-Writing-to-your-MP?msgid=90288651

In the UK, a child cannot legally consent to sexual acts and related activities. It is also an offence under law for an adult to engage in some activities in the presence of a child.

A UK "sexologist" Jonny Hunt is running a programme in Warwickshire school classrooms that includes teaching and encouraging children from age 6 how to masturbate.

Is this against the law?

Sexual Offences Act 2003 section 8 - Causing or inciting a child under 13 to engage in sexual activity.

He appears to have links to the Kinsey Institute. As part of the Kinsey's research into sexuality in the USA, parents were recruited and were required to masturbate their infants at home and record how the babies responded. The records of these "experiments" are in the public domain.

The Daily Mail covered this story recently (link in linked post above).

Related, covered in the same thread, the DfE have just released this:

Keeping children safe in education
Statutory guidance for schools and colleges on safeguarding children and safer recruitment

However, under "Sexual Abuse" there is no mention of age of consent and the impression is given that school children are able to engage in consensual sex, with anyone.

I have flagged @Spero (Sarah Philimore) and she is going to have a look at all this and advise if it is as bad as it looks.

The discussion starts here, in the thread "Writing to Your MP"

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Another current thread, about the views of "sexologist" James Cantor on paedophilia "as a valid neurological sexuality" that could be added to the LGBTQ+ alphabet, is related in that it is relevant to sexualising children and consent.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3699723-dr-james-cantor-anti-transing-children-pro-paedophilia-as-valid-sexuality

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HeadintheiClouds · 24/09/2019 17:00

Who is allowing these dickheads into schools? Shock

Speakoutwoman · 24/09/2019 17:27

Do you know OP whether the definition of consent was in the previous version of Keeping Children Safe? It's been reviewed repeatedly over the years and I would be interested to know when it was removed?

MoleSmokes · 24/09/2019 17:46

*Speakoutwoman" I can't see anything relevant - changes are listed in Annex H

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/830121/Keeping_children_safe_in_education_060919.pdf

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/09/2019 17:51

How can teachers, governors and parents allow this?

MoleSmokes · 24/09/2019 17:52

Speakoutwoman Local Safeguarding Boards have been replaced by three "Safeguarding Partners" - or as this website refers to them, "so-called safeguarding partners" . . . Hmm

www.childprotectioncompany.com/CPC/news/general/who-are-the-3-safeguarding-partners/

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RuffleCrow · 24/09/2019 17:56

They don't give up, these bastards. The price of safety is eternal vigilance.

HumberElla · 24/09/2019 18:06

I don’t know if this is relevant, but back on the NSPCC threads we noticed that their own definition of CSA abuse had changed. The NSPCC definition on some of their programmes is now centred around whether or not the child is frightened or upset about what is happening to them. The implication being that if they are not, then it is not abuse. I can’t find the links on phone but it’s back in the rubber man threads when the NSPCC defended their staff member filming porn on their premises and streaming it.

It’s insidious moving of boundaries to directly enable grooming imho. Same as this schools programmes. It’s easy to see who benefits and it is NOT children and their safety.

HandsOffMyRights · 24/09/2019 18:06

I'm sickened.
I live in a neighbouring authority. What can we do? MP? Council? Headteacher/safeguarding group? Media?

MoleSmokes · 24/09/2019 18:24

LordProfFekko - do you mean Warwickshire? Coming to schools near all of us soon if the Daily Mail is right about the "nationwide roll out" Angry

The bastards are making it compulsory by including this in "Relationships" rather than "Sex Education" - meaning parents do not have the right to withdraw children from classes!

"Warwickshire has introduced relationship lessons in some primaries ahead of the nationwide launch, including sessions addressing ‘self-stimulation’. From next September, parents will not be able to withdraw children from these lessons.

Parents at Coten End Primary School in Warwick met sex education consultant Jonny Hunt, one of the architects of the All About Me scheme, in June and raised concerns about some of its content.

Asked why ‘self-stimulation’ appeared in the Year Five lesson plans and why it was not in the non-compulsory sex education element of the programme, he said: ‘Actually we refer to self-stimulation or self-soothing throughout the programme in earlier years as well. This is not sex education but actually information around safe and appropriate touching. However uncomfortable adults may find it, children of all ages will self-stimulate from time to time. They may do this when anxious or simply because it feels nice.’

Naomi and Matthew Seymour, whose two sons attend Coten End, strongly disagree with that assessment. Concerned their sons would be exposed to issues they ‘were not ready to hear’, they removed them from school for the week during which the programme was taught.

‘My wife cried the first time she read what was going to be in the lessons,’ said Mr Seymour, 38. ‘This sexualisation of our children is just totally inappropriate. They are calling it self-touching and they won’t use the term masturbation, but when you read it that’s exactly what they’re talking about.

‘We don’t want to start picket lines and wave banners. We’re just an ordinary family. I think many families who had seen these lesson plans would feel the same way we did.’

Lynette Smith, a teacher who runs a company which provides RSE programmes for schools, said she sympathised with those concerned by the ‘self-stimulation’ section of the Year Two curriculum.

She said: ‘We never use the word self-stimulation, not in primary school. For us it is not appropriate.’

Piers Shepherd, of the Family Education Trust, said RSE guidance was too vague. He added: ‘It is even more concerning that parents may be denied the opportunity to withdraw their children from these lessons if the school brands them as relationship education classes rather than as sex education.’

Simon Calvert, of the Christian Institute, said: ‘It looks like Warwickshire has paid more attention to a controversial sex education consultancy than to… what parents understand to be in the best interests of their children.’

Warwickshire County Council said the lessons were ‘tailored to the age and development level of the children’, adding: ‘While some of the material may be sensitive for some, we believe it is important for children… to get clear and consistent information about this important, but often overlooked subject.'

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"Important" that 6yr olds have classroom lessons by a "sexologist" on how to masturbate??

Quite apart from the sexualisation aspect, I find it worrying that children are being encouraged to engage in a solitary, unproductive activity at an age when they would benefit from socialising, from play activities that promote physical and cognitive skills, etc.

The next step, and this does not seem too far a leap in the circumstances, "age appropriate" porn??

Again:

Sexual Offences Act 2003 section 8 - Causing or inciting a child under 13 to engage in sexual activity.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7490415/Children-young-SIX-given-compulsory-self-touching-lessons.html

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/09/2019 18:29

I’m going to send it to my BIL and SIL who are both teachers (younger age range) and have a lot of experience working with safeguarding and abused kids. Also active in the unions. Also have small children.

See what they have to say.

MoleSmokes · 24/09/2019 18:46

HumberElla "The NSPCC definition on some of their programmes is now centred around whether or not the child is frightened or upset about what is happening to them. The implication being that if they are not, then it is not abuse."

You are right. Maybe they have changed it? Just rooted through the NSPCC site and I cannot find anything like that now.

On the other hand, schools might find it helpful or necessary to pay for an NSPCC course after "Jonny Hunt" aka "littlerubberhat" has finished finished his work:

"Online courses to help manage harmful sexual behaviour in primary or secondary schools in the UK"

Only £35 per person:

learning.nspcc.org.uk/training/schools/managing-sexualised-behaviour-in-schools-online-courses/

How much are schools having to pay to have pupils taught how to masturbate?? Or is this funded by the DfE??

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CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 24/09/2019 18:54

Underground resistance will always be there, having to have home education lessons teaching our kids about boundaries and privacy and that it's okay to say no.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 24/09/2019 19:00

The next step, and this does not seem too far a leap in the circumstances, "age appropriate" porn??

Funny you should say that...

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p065wpk5

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 24/09/2019 19:01

The bastards are making it compulsory by including this in "Relationships" rather than "Sex Education" - meaning parents do not have the right to withdraw children from classes!

And anyone who protests will be labelled homophobic...

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 24/09/2019 19:11

At THIS is a big step nearer the true end goal.

TheBullshitGoesOn · 24/09/2019 19:12

If that comes anywhere my DC I'll be pulling them out of school and home schooling.

It is many years since i read Brave New World, but i have vague recollections of children masturbating in that. It seemed horribly unrealistic when i read it. It now seems like Huxley was Nostradamus.

NeurotrashWarrior · 24/09/2019 19:14

This is all very relevant and and very concerning.

If you haven't already, please follow Safe Schools Alliance UK.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 24/09/2019 19:15

You won't actually know they are being taught it.

ChickenonaMug · 24/09/2019 19:19

MoleSmokes
The NSPCC's definition of sexual abuse as something that a child may be made to do with their body which "frightens or worries" them is still taught to children during the NSPCC's Speak Out, Stay Safe assemblies. This definition is not the same as the one used on the usual part of the NSPCC website that is accessed by adults.

learning.nspcc.org.uk/media/1495/soss_gallery_slide_3-ks2.jpg?width=500&height=280.5851063829787

Wurzelsnewhead · 24/09/2019 19:44

I can’t find anything online about Jonny Hunt, his Twitter is blocked .
Unusual, as I’d expect to be able read articles he’s published etc if he is being invited as an expert into schools?
I’d also like to know who approved the use of this programme in primary schools, who is signing this off and why? Coming up with nothing.

Wurzelsnewhead · 24/09/2019 19:48

Should this thread be moved into primary education/ chat to get more exposure. Parents need to be made aware of this so they can protest against it/ mass withdrawal of kids from lessons if need be.
This has to be challenged at a grassroots level, people in authority simply can’t be trusted.

7Worfs · 24/09/2019 19:54

This exact thing was included in the 2019-2030 education strategy in my home country (EU country in Eastern Europe, quite socially conservative), sparking protests that have been going on for weeks.
Leads me to believe it has a central source and funding outside the U.K.

7Worfs · 24/09/2019 19:57

Agreed with Wurzel
It would be very helpful if the brain powerhouses here give us guidance on most effective ways to protest

Lumene · 24/09/2019 20:11

Dr Christian Jessen advocating for porn to be shown in schools:

schoolsimprovement.net/dr-christian-why-kids-should-watch-porn-in-schools-listen/

Lumene · 24/09/2019 20:14

Dr Christian says:

"Get them to watch this video of a man being fairly aggressive to a woman in porn and talk about that.

"Parents would in outcry, but so what?"