Safeguarding in UK Schools - new Statutory Guidance + existing classroom programme teaching 6yr olds to masturbate

[MoleSmokes]

I am going to link to a part of another current thread ("Writing to Your MP") and try to bring the discussion here in case it gets lost over there or ends up dominating the thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3698659-Writing-to-your-MP?msgid=90288651

In the UK, a child cannot legally consent to sexual acts and related activities. It is also an offence under law for an adult to engage in some activities in the presence of a child.

A UK "sexologist" Jonny Hunt is running a programme in Warwickshire school classrooms that includes teaching and encouraging children from age 6 how to masturbate.

Is this against the law?

Sexual Offences Act 2003 section 8 - Causing or inciting a child under 13 to engage in sexual activity.

He appears to have links to the Kinsey Institute. As part of the Kinsey's research into sexuality in the USA, parents were recruited and were required to masturbate their infants at home and record how the babies responded. The records of these "experiments" are in the public domain.

The Daily Mail covered this story recently (link in linked post above).

Related, covered in the same thread, the DfE have just released this:

Keeping children safe in education
Statutory guidance for schools and colleges on safeguarding children and safer recruitment

However, under "Sexual Abuse" there is no mention of age of consent and the impression is given that school children are able to engage in consensual sex, with anyone.

I have flagged @Spero (Sarah Philimore) and she is going to have a look at all this and advise if it is as bad as it looks.

The discussion starts here, in the thread "Writing to Your MP"

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Another current thread, about the views of "sexologist" James Cantor on paedophilia "as a valid neurological sexuality" that could be added to the LGBTQ+ alphabet, is related in that it is relevant to sexualising children and consent.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3699723-dr-james-cantor-anti-transing-children-pro-paedophilia-as-valid-sexuality

Teacher here. Horrified! Just wanted to say that not all visitors need to be added to the single central record. That is only for those with regular contact with children and those who are unsupervised. Other visitors can be allowed into school where a member of school staff is present with them. So do not think the single central record is a protection in this way!

WurzelsNewHead do you know if we are allowed by Mumsnet to post in one Board in order to alert people to a thread of interest in another?

Leaving this here in FWR seems fine to me but it would be good to be able to alert the Primary Education Mumsnetters. I don't know if would count as a "Thread About A Thread" (TAAT) and get deleted and I would get a black mark!

KaliOMalley "The scheme All About Me, mentioned in the Warwickshire case, is currently unavailable on their website - I wonder if is us because of the current news articles/ parent uproar? "

It must have been taken down due to all the protests - there were tweets yesterday from people disgusted that it was up on their web site.

Lumene - Dr Christian Jessen - that nause who was chatting to our old friend Dr Adrian "Haddock" about how paedophilia is OK, as long as it's black kids in far away countries?

TV's Dr Christian: Why pupils should watch porn in sex ed

"TV doctor Christian Jessen wants schools to play porn in sex education lessons.

TV doctor Christian Jessen has told BBC Radio 5 live that pupils should watch “heavily edited” porn in school, as part of their sex education lessons.

Speaking to Anna Foster, Dr Christian explains that it’s to show the difference between “what’s real and what isn’t”.

This clip is originally from The Emma Barnett Show on Tuesday 1 May 2018."

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p065wpk5

This is worse than PIE in the 1970s because the Government has blithely laid down the red carpet for them with the Statutory RSE programmes for schools.

ALL those programmes need to stopped because every damned one seems to be a Trojan horse for "Queering the Classroom" - and nothing to do with the Equality Act as claimed by the "No Outsiders" Programme:

From Shelley Charlesworth's analysis of "No Outsiders":

"I’ve read the 35 recommended books and correlated each one, where possible, with the 9 protected characteristics of the Equality Act. This was done on the basis of the content of each book. 17 books could be said to have a link to one of the 9 protected characteristics of the Equality Act.

They are listed here with the number of books that relate to them following in brackets.

Age (1) Disability (3) Gender Reassignment (4) Race (3) Religion or Belief (0) Sex (1) Sexual Orientation (5) Marriage and Civil Partnerships (0) Pregnancy and Maternity (0)"

9 books can be grouped into just two of the protected characteristics, Gender Reassignment and Sexual Orientation, which possibly is what Moffat is referring to when he says that some books specifically support the LGBT strand. Parents have a point when they say the programme is weighted towards LGBT issues"

www.transgendertrend.com/no-outsiders-queering-primary-classroom/

This is an excellent, brief expose of the obsession of "Queer Theorists" with "normalising" paedophilia if you haven't seen it:

"Queer Theory Pedophilia Jeopardy w/ Derrick Jensen"

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Thanks to everyone for all the advice about how to respond to problems with RSE programmes in schools.

They have gone too far this time - "masturbation for 6yr olds" FFS!!!

It makes me think of that Councillor in Middlesbrough who lobbied the Mayor to turn all the toilets "gender free" (ahem!) and next thing you know he is charged with a whole bunch of sex offences against children.

I am sure there are going to be some skeletons coming rattling out of cupboards when people start looking at these "bring your kink to school" programmes!

My god, if my 8 year old come home and told me this I would be livid. Just livid. I think teaching this stuff at the appropriate age group is fine, but at 6?

I really didn't need anyone to teach me about masterbation.

Awesome work op, keep it up.

And thank you!

Warwickshire are really going for it.

It's an all out assault at this point and parents should assume that they need to take a very close look at anything that's being given to their kids. I'm sure someone will quote mine this to argue that we're all trad conservatives here, and I don't care. Keeping children safe is more important than looking woke.

FFS

Because they ar3 being taught that anal sex is safe and painless will more girls be pressured into. Safe. Painless
Are they off their heads ?
Look it shows us how to do it at school !!

Ffs what a pile of steaming shite

I notice that "pleasure" and "female orgasm" are apparently so irrelevant as to whether young girls have anal sex as to not be worth mentioning in the school's guidance.

How about a course on how to say no to things you're not interested in even if your boyfriend really really wants to do them?

Is this breaking boundaries at schools ?
Is this is what is happening here ?

Who is pushing this. ?
It’s really vile

People are right - this is an all out assault on children's boundaries. Does anyone have a link to the Warwickshire anal sex advice for teenagers? (just hard to believe it really exists)

This isn't about prudishness or censorship. It's basic safeguarding.

Placemarking this excellent thread. Apologies no time to properly contribute.

respectyourself.info/your-questions/#faq615

Very basic question so forgive me if this sounds stupid but, what happened to create a situation where people who run schools thought it would be a good idea to invite a sexologist to teach children how to touch themselves.

I thought there were safeguarding policies in place to prevent high risk people working with children and vulnerable adults, or to deal with them once they revealed themselves - in this case by promoting a lesson plan which breaks the law.

This situation appears to be a symptom of a serious problem.

headsup.warwickshire.gov.uk/heads-up-8th-march-2017/national-news/relationships-and-sex-education-to-be-made-compulsory-in-schools

For reference some more info on the NSPCC and their worrying sexual abuse advice
makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/nspcc-speak-out-get-banned

Copying and pasting from the thread where I originally posted this (Writing to your MP) as a reminder that my OP is also about the DfS Statutory Guidance, which fails to mention that children cannot legally consent to any this and nobody else can consent on their behalf.

@Spero will comment when available but my IANAL reading of this is that Statutory Guidance "Keeping Children Safe in Education" (Sept 2019 and previous versions) falsely reassures schools that it is within the law to teach children age 6 to masturbate - it nowhere mentions that there is such as thing as Age of Consent.

Statutory Guidance is relevant if cases go to court. It can be used as a defence or mitigating factor when acts are illegal under Primary Legislation but are in line with Statutory Guidance.

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3698659-Writing-to-your-MP?msgid=90304780

No Age of Consent for Sex in new DfE Statutory Guidance for "Keeping Children Safe in Schools"

twitter.com/SuspendDisbeli2/status/1176192853925666816

"New "Statutory guidance Keeping children safe in education" Sept 2019 covers sexual abuse, defines sexual offences as per Sexual Offences Act + explains consent but omits any mention of specific sexual offences against children as per act"
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plus could not find any mention of age of consent. Gives impression that child of any age may consent to eg. oral, vaginal, anal penetration."

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/828587/Keeping_children_safe_in_education_part_one.pdf

The footnote for further info on consent links to
www.disrespectnobody.co.uk/consent/what-is-consent/

That last is written for adults!

No mention anywhere in the Statutory Guidance "Keeping Children Safe in Schools" of Sexual Offences Against Children under the Act!
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(That is PART 1 of 18 posts where I have copied and pasted the relevant sections from the Sexual Offences Act)

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/rape-and-sexual-offences-chapter-2-sexual-offences-act-2003-principal-offences-and

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Relevant to teaching children to masturbate:

"Sexual Offences Act 2003 section 8 - Causing or inciting a child under 13 to engage in sexual activity."

The Statutory Guidance gives the impression that this is only illegal if the child does not consent - but a child can never legally consent to this, and no one can consent on their behalf.

Placing this activity in "Relationships" in RSE programmes, which means parents do not have the legal right to withdraw their children, means removing the legal right of parents to protect their children from sexual abuse as per the Sexual Offences under the 2003 Act.

I see this as a two-pronged attack on the legal protection of children from sexual abuse.

Schools, in loco parentis, are being encouraged by Government to enable child abuse.

This story is absolute alarmist nonsense. Has anyone read the material this originated from? I have. The text is from a piece of guidance FOR TEACHERS which (very sensibly) gives advice on what they can say if they are in the situation of having to have to have this conversation. As anyone who has ever taught in a primary school knows, this will be necessary from time to time, as small children are very prone to fiddling with their bits in public. Should (when) this situation occur, this guidance gives teachers suggestion of a safe and appropriate way to do it. The guidance is intended to PROTECT children, by teaching them that, though it’s ok to touch yourself, you must only ever do it in private. It is not a resource that will be shown to children, it is certainly not intended for use with a whole class, and is not by any means a statutory part of the new Relationships Education curriculum.

Very basic question so forgive me if this sounds stupid but, what happened to create a situation where people who run schools thought it would be a good idea to invite a sexologist to teach children how to touch themselves.

I remember people talking about this sort of thing when I was a teen, though it never seemed to gain any traction. The thinking seemed to be that it was just wholly positive for kids to know more about sex, even from quite a young age. It seemed to go along with a view that said that sex was positive and loving and natural, and knowledge was power and that it would prevent kids from falling prey to abuse or old-fashioned attitudes, or early pregnancy etc. Often people would say "they let kids watch films with violence, why not sexual content."

I wonder if the difference now is that so much content development seems to have been turned over, almost wholesale, to various groups, maybe only a few in each area of study. Curriculum delivery seems different as well, almost as if with fewer textbooks there is less real digging into the content before purchases are made.

Has anyone read the material this originated from? I have.

Can you post a link? I'd like to read it.

I've had a look for the material. Warwickshire County Council have taken down the pages about 'All About Me', with a message that the page is 'under review'. Some local schools have helpfully put the material on their websites - I've found the same material on several schools' websites so I presume it's come straight from the same source.

Screenshot of part of Year 2 page.

Just catching up - no I don’t think we can post a link to this, the whole thread would need to be relocated.
Thanks oldcrone , Year 2 are 6-7 year olds ! They should not be made to consider and think about rules for self ‘stimulation’ and the ‘rules’ of when it us appropriate to touch themselves . This is really revolting.
I’d really like to know who it is in Warwickshire that deems this suitable for Year 2s; the people attempting to railroad this through need to be held to account.