Safeguarding in UK Schools - new Statutory Guidance + existing classroom programme teaching 6yr olds to masturbate

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I am going to link to a part of another current thread ("Writing to Your MP") and try to bring the discussion here in case it gets lost over there or ends up dominating the thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3698659-Writing-to-your-MP?msgid=90288651

In the UK, a child cannot legally consent to sexual acts and related activities. It is also an offence under law for an adult to engage in some activities in the presence of a child.

A UK "sexologist" Jonny Hunt is running a programme in Warwickshire school classrooms that includes teaching and encouraging children from age 6 how to masturbate.

Is this against the law?

Sexual Offences Act 2003 section 8 - Causing or inciting a child under 13 to engage in sexual activity.

He appears to have links to the Kinsey Institute. As part of the Kinsey's research into sexuality in the USA, parents were recruited and were required to masturbate their infants at home and record how the babies responded. The records of these "experiments" are in the public domain.

The Daily Mail covered this story recently (link in linked post above).

Related, covered in the same thread, the DfE have just released this:

Keeping children safe in education
Statutory guidance for schools and colleges on safeguarding children and safer recruitment

However, under "Sexual Abuse" there is no mention of age of consent and the impression is given that school children are able to engage in consensual sex, with anyone.

I have flagged @Spero (Sarah Philimore) and she is going to have a look at all this and advise if it is as bad as it looks.

The discussion starts here, in the thread "Writing to Your MP"

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Another current thread, about the views of "sexologist" James Cantor on paedophilia "as a valid neurological sexuality" that could be added to the LGBTQ+ alphabet, is related in that it is relevant to sexualising children and consent.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3699723-dr-james-cantor-anti-transing-children-pro-paedophilia-as-valid-sexuality

This is what happens when peadophiles are in power.

The new sex / relationships guidelines state that schools must consult with parents about their school SRE policy and share materials with them. This is statutory guidance so schools must follow it.
It also states that schools must check the credentials of visitors / organisations. (Personally I'd be demanding to see an enhanced DBS check on anyone advocating that adults talk to groups of primary children about self pleasuring themselves)!

We really do need to write to our MPs about this as this appears to be part of a significant attempt to erode children's boundaries that has not been negotiated. The guidelines remind schools that parents have the most significant influence in helping their children to grow and mature and form healthy relationships

Just because somebody sets themselves up as a sex education expert it does not mean that they are a fit and proper person - let alone qualified - to teach children sex education. Remember, Rolf Harris was one of the first celebrities to get involved with child protection work and many years ago produced a video for children about protecting themselves from abuse

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/805781/Relationships_Education__Relationships_and_Sex_Education__RSE__and_Health_Education.pdf

Just waiting for Tatchell to muscle in next.

How can teachers, governors and parents allow this?

Shocking as it is, some schools just won't join the dots till those dots are pointed out explicitly.

We have operation encompass now up and running in school and I / we had to point out a number of issues with how they'd decided to go about contacting and meeting parents if they were in abusive relationships. That's me and some of my colleagues telling trained police officers and the highly trained safeguarding lead. Next time they are in I will tell them to all do the freedom programme.

Beyond that it's societal and regulatory capture. And naivety.

Idiots running the country and idiots writing policies, loop holes left right and centre.

Truthis - Rolf also volunteered to teach in a school as part of the TV show where celebrities become teachers for a while.

There is a dubious group that's managed to get into my child's secondary school (in addition to Stonewall!).

It goes without saying that predators are drawn to schools and that the grooming of adults is par for the course.

It also states that schools must check the credentials of visitors / organisations.

But if some of those credentials include stonewall, which they think will be fine and dandy, or mermaids etc, with lottery funding, so must be ok...

People will generally follow the leader, they may be apprehensive about it, but they will really question.

Will never really question*

Precisely. School
cultures can be particularly tricky. There's an area of safeguarding training around simply that. That due to an individual's charisma, a culture can evolve where people are scared to speak out.

Yewtree, Savile, Harris, the BBC covering up the peadophile ring, Epstiein's 'Paedophile Island, Jackson, it's all part of this.
It's still going on, it never stopped it's at the highest levels and there is no what to stop it.
The goal is to break all boundaries, get children disassociated from their bodies and to get them comfortable with sexual acts on a global scale.
It's too big to stop.

Furries

Attempted to describe that to dh earlier. When trying to describe the Challenor case. When trying to explain my issues with the Lib Dem's.

There was just too much to describe.

It's hard to argue against the notion that predators are currently located in or close to positions of power and able to influence policy in relation to children. Being able to influence removing safeguarding from children at policy level is very attractive for predators.
Given how successful powerful men in the civil service (including the DfE) have been in forcing unwilling women to share toilets and changing rooms with them, is it such a stretch to argue that having seen this, predators have realised that breaching boundaries is no longer seen as an abusive and shameful act, but one that Stonewall hand out awards for? Thus they head for places where they can influence public policy - especially for schools and children.
The DfE have ignored all the complaints about "special interest" groups breaching safeguarding rules in schools, they have obsessed about mixed sex toilets in schools while paying lip service to the scandalous levels of sexual assaults and rapes of girls in schools. The EHRC has draft guidelines that remove children's safety and privacy.

The predatory values that underpin all these actions are very evident.

Wurzelsnewhead it does not look very active in Primary Education Talk. I was wondering . . . Does Mumsnet allow posting a Thread in Talk area to let people know about a discussion in another one? The one I was thinking of was AIBU but maybe Primary Education would be better.

I will be guided by other people here because I only post on FWR so I don't know much about the rest of Mumsnet.

The goal is to break all boundaries, get children disassociated from their bodies and to get them comfortable with sexual acts on a global scale.
It's too big to stop

It’s only too big to stop if we let it happen. Parents have to take action.
I’ve been dithering about questioning our school curriculum thinking ‘ it won’t happen here’ am going to raise it tmrw. Have to start somewhere.
Interesting to hear about what’s happening in Eastern Europe around education too and that people are not accepting these disturbing changes.

truthisarevolutionaryact it’s actually rather worse than you’ve suggested. The guidance says schools should consult parents, yes. But schools do not have to follow the guidance. They have to have regard to it. This means that they can decide not to follow the guidance, and not to consult parents, if they think they have good reason for doing so. (For instance, a school in a very religious area might argue consultation would be counter productive). A requirement to have regard to guidance is very far from requiring schools to actually do what the guidance says. Which is why it is in guidance, not rules.

Basically there’s very little to stop a school from delivering completely inappropriate material.

Any adult who wants to talk to a group of small children - not their own- about masturbation is by definition not fit to be near children.

I talked to my kids about it, so they didn’t feel embarrassed or awkward about it, but that’s what parents and guardians are for. To let a stranger talk to them at a young age- it’s just insane. And to couple this with removing the right to withdraw - words fail me.

I lurk on Primary education but don’t post,likely to garner those who take a hands on approach to their kids education so more likely to follow through with questioning school policies ?
Aibu might turn into a goady fest?
Maybe just in Chat?

So, is there a list of suggested ways to object to this?

Write to your MP has been mentioned, is there anything else we can do?

Write to board of governors of school? To head teacher? To local authority, stating that if this ‘early masturbation education’ is provided I will withdraw my children from it, despite right to withdraw having been removed? To PTA?

Thing is, local authorities can prosecute parents who remove their children from lessons. But I really do not think any local authority is going to want to be in the news for prosecuting parents for removing children from this particular type of education. It is not good optics at all.

I should stress that my worry here isn’t kids knowing about masturbation. It is teachers talking to them about it, the collapsing of boundaries, the scope for eroticisation of lessons. Some people are paedophiles. They don’t have it tattooed on their foreheads. They look normal. And teaching little children about masturbation has got to be a paedophile’s dream job.

This needs a thread on the TES forums.

I think writing to Heads is the key. Ask them about their policy, parental consultation, which groups they are involving in the curriculum and why? How have they quality assured groups /individuals?
We know that schools have been groomed into believing that many of these groups are benign while in reality they're promoting homophobic, anti women, anti safeguarding and dangerous for children ideologies - so let's start sharing this information. There are now many articles pointing out the dangers of some of the groups.
Once Heads start to hear alternate critical views and realise that parents are informed and voicing legitimate concerns, they will become much more reluctant to use some of these toxic organisations. .

All schools have something called a single central record in which all/ any visitors (as in teaching lessons/ workshops etc) to the school must be added. They must have a DBS and cannot be allowed on site without one. This is an Ofsted safeguarding essential and all schools must adhere to it. If they don't it's an instant safeguarding fail, which puts a school into unsatisfactory.

The scheme All About Me, mentioned in the Warwickshire case, is currently unavailable on their website - I wonder if is us because of the current news articles/ parent uproar?

Our SLT discussed this today with horror, the RSE guidelines do not mention self touching, and we would never agree to is in our school. This is one stand alone scheme which is/ was being trialled. Hopefully it's now being revised or abandoned.

As parents we go in to our children’s schools and ask about the curriculum - in detail, looking at resources, asking who will be invited as speakers and why, questioning anything we think is inappropriate. Vigilance.
Admittedly, it may feel awkward at first but if we don’t then this kind of scenario will gather pace and that cannot be allowed to happen.

Thanks Kali , that’s reassuring.

I am sure he is a pervert. Just cause he gets posh titles doesn’t make him not a pervert talking to kids! Someone needs to stop him!