Thousands of deaths associated with drugs given to trans children.

[NeurotrashWarrior]

Really important piece including many of the issues we have discussed here before.

I'd still like to know exactly what a 'trans child' is.

The agency has recordeded_ more than 41,000 adverse events reported with their use between 2013 and June 30, 2019.*

More than 26,000 of the events associated with the two hormone blockers, Leuprolide acetate and triptorelin (which includes Lupron and similar drugs used by clinics), were classified by the federal agency as “serious,” including 6,370 deaths. The drugs, which dramatically lower testosterone and estrogen levels in the body, are linked to life-threatening blood clots and other complaints, include brittle bones and joint pain.

*Michael Laidlaw, an endocrinologist from Rocklin, California, testified before the British House of Lords on the issue of “transgender health care” in May. Laidlaw told the Register, “These drugs actually induce a known disease in previously hormonally healthy children.”

Puberty blockers, he explained, interfere with normal signals between the brain and the sex organs, thereby creating a disease state called hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in youths. “It’s a serious condition that endocrinologists would normally diagnose and treat because it interferes with development, but in [gender dysphoria] cases they’re inducing this disease state,” Laidlaw said.*

This is not a gentle pause. This is active harm to the body. The article counties to describe the active harm done to the brain and IQ levels too.

http://m.ncregister.com/daily-news/fda-thousands-of-deaths-associated-with-drugs-given-to-trans-children

Bloody hell...

If only their dr could see this video. S/he , if they were any good at all would not continue to prescribe or administer treatment that their patient clearly doesnt understand and and unreasonable expectations for.

How could anyone treat someone who has not only no ide of the seriousness of the situation but actively tells parents not to worry it will all be ok.and they can just stop and all be normal.

That Vox article: "If the medication is stopped, bone density catches up to normal after a few years as the child goes through the puberty of their gender assigned at birth."

a) that isn't true and b) even if it were, what about the children who don't stop or move onto hormones? It sounds like an admission that they will suffer lifelong bone density issues.

No wonder there is a push for trans healthcare - they know they are damaging a generation of children.

The push is all about passing isn't it? If they can bypass having to remove the inconvenient secondary sexual physical characteristics then they may pass better.

I bet they're trying to develop cross sex puberty hormones - a sort of 2 in 1.

Deaths from prostrate cancer would be considered under efficacy/effectiveness not adverse events.

Orchid at the last WPATH (a trans lobby group) conference they were suggesting going straight to cross sex hormones - at 9/10/11/12 years old.

But it isn’t really about passing either (makes very little difference to girls anyway); it is about validation for older AGP males and justification for allowing then to express their sexual kink in women’s spaces

Thankyou for your feedback Birdsfoottrefoil.

I'd like to be able to understand what those figures mean so am playing with the filters on the fda site

I see TRAs on Twitter responding to this thread by defending the use of Lupron. But by their own admission it's mainly used for people with cancer or for palliative care - in other words, for those who are already very ill, where the benefits outweigh the risks. It doesn't justify giving Lupron to healthy people.

Thingybob If you filter by age group, there's a relatively small number of patients reporting adverse effects in the 3-11 and 12-17 age groups (1084 and 347 respectively for Leuprolide Acetate), although there is a very large group of people under age not specified. I don't think there's enough information there to draw any firm conclusions about the effects on children.

As this is the US, presumably there isn't the exact same difference between licenced use and not licensed as there is in the UK?
Plus as it's being used for people who are presumably terminally ill anyway - does the description of it being an adverse reaction mean it's a reaction/outcome not linked to the patients primary condition?

The TRAs love ignoring the actual experiences of yp who have been put on Lupron as well as those women who've been irreversibly damaged by the drug.

Twitter isn't including the BMJ article either I notice

This is a proper nightmare scenario.

Thankyou OldCrone. It's a huge database so should contain some useful information but there are lots of inconsistencies, inaccuracies and unspecified factors to weed out

Now how should I classify the females with erectile dysfunction or prostate cancer?

It’s Joss Prior though. Joss is pretty stupid. Joss can’t tell the difference between a recipe and a list of ingredients, so to expect Joss to analyse an article in the British Medical Journal and explain why the journalists’ documenting a catalogue of ethics concerns, lack of evidence and poor governance have it wrong is way beyond Joss’s capabilities.

3 - let me say that again 3.

'My girl became the youngest trans toddler… at just three years of age'
EXCLUSIVE: Luna was asking to become a girl from a very young age and mum Jeneen made it happen with the help of Mermaids

Read in Mirror Online: apple.news/AnAqoi-GhTFSF8t02cP8kJQ

Waves to Joss. Why doesn’t Joss link this thread instead of screenshots I wonder? Joss and Joss’s friends are too stupid to find the article in the BMJ. Joss doesn’t realise it’s a journalistic investigation into suspected professional misconduct by doctors, not an opinion piece. Joss can’t fathom the possibility that people can write about things other than “feelz” and can write factual reports detailing events, because Joss spends so much time in the world of “feelz” that facts become irrelevant. Joss fails to realise the BMJ article is about how the “feelz” of doctors seems to have been more important that doing actual research. Joss seems to be happy with the fact LGBT children and teenagers receive a lower standard of healthcare. Because Joss is stupid and selfish.

Is someone with a trans toddler exhibiting Muchausen's by proxy?

Or just extreme adherence to gender norms ie sex role

3?

Seriously?

I.mean my dd was eating and drinking out of dog bowls and running around maked at 3. Either I'm a shitty parent and I should have accepted my nudist dog or she was fucking 3.

3 - let me say that again 3

And the mother is a nurse! How can SS turn a blind eye to parents like this?

I agree. Munchausens by proxy.

I think there is much more likely to be MBP the younger children are. It becomes MBP when, after being told that it’s normal variant behaviour by several professionals the parent then endlessly seeks out a doctor who’s willing to take things further, like that awful endocrinologist from Stanford who did that TedX talk. Then it becomes MBP and Munchausen by Doctor.

I am so horribly upset by this. How the fuck have we got to a point where medical professionals are happy to destroy healthy children’s bodies with drugs so potent they recommend not conceiving within 3 months of handling it. 3 months!!! If there was, say, a cancer prevention drug which did great things but needed the same incredibly careful handling as Lupron, there would be (I hope?) a very detailed set of procedural guidelines for medical professionals and health and safety regs all over the place. I just....what the fuck?? This is such a horribly dangerous drug. Giving this to children is just wrong Utterly, completely wrong. It’s so upsetting that so many people are willing to fuck up healthy kids. Horrible

If there was, say, a cancer prevention drug which did great things but needed the same incredibly careful handling as Lupron, there would be (I hope?) a very detailed set of procedural guidelines for medical professionals and health and safety regs all over the place

Lupron is a cancer drug and there are very careful guidelines.

I never think MBP is the correct term as I don't think these parents (usually mothers) are attempting to fake a disorder.

They are however a certain type of parent. They always appear incredibly naive about how diverse other 'normal' kids can be whilst over-parenting their own child and analysing minute details of that child's life (helicopter parents). Then with the assistance of sources like google they decide that there is something incredibly unique and special about their own child. They genuinely believe this to be true so I think a better term is Hypochondriasis by proxy.

Btw I am only talking about the parent(s) of the young child transitioners who are obviously being led by the mindset of the adults around them.

MBP doesn’t need to be a fake illness. It’s thriving on the medicalisation of another. The child may genuinely have gender confusion but it’s turning that into a medical problem that is the issue. Most kids with a parent with MBP have symptoms but those parents are determined for those symptoms to be the most dramatic eg a headache is a tumour, or alternatively the symptoms are so mystifying they “have doctors baffled” and need extensive investigations. As has been demonstrated here, many children, or posters when they were children may have expressed similar gender questions and it didn’t involve doctors and psychologists. I have personally been involved in cases where there has been an unwitting enabling by doctors. Some end up seeing the light and being horrified they were taken for a ride, others stick by their guns and refuse to believe they’ve been taken in.

And the mother is a nurse! How can SS turn a blind eye to parents like this?

Regulatory capture and public brainwashing.

The sooner stonewall sorts it's self out the better.