Thousands of deaths associated with drugs given to trans children.

[NeurotrashWarrior]

Really important piece including many of the issues we have discussed here before.

I'd still like to know exactly what a 'trans child' is.

The agency has recordeded_ more than 41,000 adverse events reported with their use between 2013 and June 30, 2019.*

More than 26,000 of the events associated with the two hormone blockers, Leuprolide acetate and triptorelin (which includes Lupron and similar drugs used by clinics), were classified by the federal agency as “serious,” including 6,370 deaths. The drugs, which dramatically lower testosterone and estrogen levels in the body, are linked to life-threatening blood clots and other complaints, include brittle bones and joint pain.

*Michael Laidlaw, an endocrinologist from Rocklin, California, testified before the British House of Lords on the issue of “transgender health care” in May. Laidlaw told the Register, “These drugs actually induce a known disease in previously hormonally healthy children.”

Puberty blockers, he explained, interfere with normal signals between the brain and the sex organs, thereby creating a disease state called hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in youths. “It’s a serious condition that endocrinologists would normally diagnose and treat because it interferes with development, but in [gender dysphoria] cases they’re inducing this disease state,” Laidlaw said.*

This is not a gentle pause. This is active harm to the body. The article counties to describe the active harm done to the brain and IQ levels too.

http://m.ncregister.com/daily-news/fda-thousands-of-deaths-associated-with-drugs-given-to-trans-children

More than 26,000 of the events associated with the two hormone blockers, Leuprolide acetate and triptorelin (which includes Lupron and similar drugs used by clinics), were classified by the federal agency as “serious,” including 6,370 deaths.

This is a very misleading statement. Yes these drugs may have been linked with many deaths but in the vast majority of cases it was when the drug was being used to treat prostate cancer so I'm guessing it was the cancer that killed the patient not the drug.

(The linked website fis.fda.gov breaks down the stats into individual cases)

I am not in favour of medicating healthy children but neither am I in favour of twisting statistics to suit a prior agenda.

I can’t link the whole BMJ article because requires a login but take a look at this:

We sought the views of methodologists and clinical trial statisticians, but few were prepared to speak publicly for fear of reprisal. However, they noted that the cohort study had no control group; that outcome measures were not well defined; and that there was no definition of what would constitute a serious adverse event. Similar concerns are common to many studies of puberty blockers in young people with gender dysphoria.4

The experts we spoke to said that the protocol and information sheets were missing potentially significant information. The sheets said, “Hormone blockers will make you feel less worried about growing up in the wrong body and will give you more time and space to think about your gender identity.”

The whole thing is a shocking read and kudos to Deborah Cohen and Hannah Barnes for piecing it all together.

Oh my goodness. This is absolutely appalling and I cannot believe that parents and doctors are both allowing it to happen. I must admit I honestly don't know much about the issue, I had no idea things were this bad.

In a secondary school now you can't move for it all. It seems like absolutely everything is based around trans. And it's also very obvious that, despite what people may say, it's a trend and it's copied behaviour. I've witnessed 3 students, best friends all the way from primary school, all coming out as 'trans' at the same time. That is no coincidence.

I hate the fact that anyone who dares speak out about this is branded with such horrible names. Thank you for this thread because I have learned a lot and realised that this is a way, way bigger problem than I thought it was.

I'm passionate about this, but find those stats suspect. Even thalidomide killed only (not only but ykwim)2000 and caused defects in 10000 babies, by best estimates.
Also, the FDA is self reporting, and is manipulated by the likes of anti-vaxxers in a lot of their claims.

Lupron etc are awful awful drugs, and I am sure there are serious side effects and even deaths, but I'm not buying those stats, yet.

but in the vast majority of cases it was when the drug was being used to treat prostate cancer so I'm guessing it was the cancer that killed the patient not the drug

No, the FDA do not simply record deaths on a drug as deaths from the drug. If they did Morphine would be banned as there are millions of deaths while people are having their pain alleviated by Morphine that are due to catastrophic injury, cancer etc. The deaths from these drugs will be those identified as not being due pre-existing conditions.

Even if these stats are linked to all cases of the use of the drug, this is still shocking. The article outlines what Laidlaw is the actual effect of preventing normal puberty.

Because the drugs are relatively new, their long-term effects have yet to be fully determined, but one 2018 study of long-term risksks_ of puberty blockers from researchers at Boston Children’s Hospital found that while side effects of the drugs are “advertised to resolve three-six months after stopping treatment,” in actuality, “the majority of subjects reported long-term side effects … while almost one-third reported irreversible side effects that persisted for years after discontinuing treatment.”*

From that study, as discussed here before and iirc the Times article which some of this article uses, it appears that the people reporting more favourable outcomes (though still not devoid of long term side effects) had oestrogen afterwards, so blockers are more devastating for young females over all if they are not going to take oestrogen afterwards, which from stats none do as all transition.

*Puberty is also a time of tremendous brain changes, when gray matterr_ becomes denser — which may explain why puberty blockers have been found to lower IQ.

One 2016 studyy found that girls treated with puberty blockers had an eight-point lower IQ score than controls who did not receive the treatment. This was similar to the seven-point IQ dropp from 100 to 93 reported among 25 girls who took puberty blockers for two years for early puberty and a nine-point IQ dropp_ in a study of a 12-year-old boy 28 months after taking the blockers.*

This is highly significant as is the information regarding the actual handling of the drug up thread, it's potency and danger to any woman who could become pregnant up to 3 months later.

Given that many of the yp have diagnosed mh difficulties already, plus potentially autism, adding a further brain inhibiting mechanism on top is not going to help.

Professor Michele Moore describes how as soon as a yp with a mh issue, eg anorexia, is thought to be 'trans' and referred to a GIDS service, all other services wash their hands stating that this is the root issue and once treated, all will be fine. She described this situation at the Newcastle meeting this year; unfortunately due to threats and intimidation and no platforming she relieves for speaking about this within the academic community, this particular video cannot yet be shown.

Unfortunately the publishing of Moore's book (with Stephanie Davies-Aria ?) has also been stalled I believe.

Laidlaw's tweet about the drugs which I read and kept was later deleted by twitter.

Peak trans org have the BMJ article here:

www.peaktrans.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/CohenBarnes2019.pdf

Pull all this together and there's a lot of forces hiding the worrying truth and promoting this in schools.

Mermaids, stonewall, GIRES et al are all culpable.

Compare this thread with articles like this:

www.vox.com/2018/10/22/18009020/transgender-children-teens-transition-detransition-puberty-blocking-medication

Puberty blockers like Lupron are approved by the Food and Drug Administration and have been used for decades for precocious puberty, a condition in which very young children go through puberty too early. The only significant side effect is that the adolescent may fall behind on bone density. For this reason, doctors will regularly check bone density while the patient is on the medication. If the medication is stopped, bone density catches up to normal after a few years as the child goes through the puberty of their gender assigned at birth.

Who on gods green earth would any parent want to put their child on strong, long term medication that is not life saving?

We even have kiddy cough syrup. We can’t use a lot of over the counter medicine on children.

Fucking A stealth

*The National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) categorize Lupron® as a “hazardous drug” that health care workers should only handle when wearing protective gowns and gloves.12 They also recommend that health care professionals who intend to conceive or father a child avoid handling Lupron® or other such hazardous drug for three months before conception.13

Abbott’s patient education materials note that the FDA advises women who are, or may become, pregnant not to take Lupron® because of the risks to the developing fetus.14 The drug information describes “major fetal abnormalities” seen in pregnant rabbits after Lupron® was injected at doses 1/1200–1/12 the human pediatric dose.15 The company states that women who are pregnant should not use Lupron®, recommends the use non-hormonal contraception to prevent pregnancy while on Lupron®, and encourages those who think they might be pregnant to contact their health care providers immediately.16 The popular website, Drugs.com, states flatly: “Lupron causes birth defects.”17*

Fekko because they are spun a lie about suicide.

Great posts Neuro.

Needmore you said: Lots of GPs about to be thrown under the bus for following what so-say experts told them to do?

I think you’re right, and lots of hospital doctors too. That’s going to completely break NHS budgets and the scandal will shatter the trust that patients have in the NHS.
Which is why political lobbies pressuring doctors to prescribe against medical ethics is such a terrible and destructive thing to do and should be ringing alarm bells about this absolutely EVERYWHERE. Not taught in schools FFS.

Another important bit of the BMJ article:

The HRA [Health Research Authority] said that it doesn’t usually enforce this requirement. However, because of concerns raised, it is now investigating. It has sent all information available to it to a specially formed group to assess the processes followed when ethical approval was granted. The group, comprising senior HRA staff, and supported by a research ethics committee chair and a non-executive director of the authority, is expected to complete its investigation by the end of September.

Will need to keep an eye out for this in the coming weeks.

In more recent years the general advice about neutering DOGS is not to do it unless they are mature. There have been a series of studies, all showing that cutting off the hormones pre puberty significantly increases joint disorders, behavioural issues and some cancer risk. The explanation is along the lines of sex hormones having a complex role in the development of the whole body and brain. Let growth plates fuse, let the dog reach maturity.

Yet it’s OK to do it to our children.

So we will be seeing young adults with serious health (and mental) issues soonish then? When did this become more common in ‘unnecessary’ cases (so not when a real doctor has seemed it a medical necessity after weighing up the physical costs and benefits).

Don’t like pink - hey laddie have some of there. Perfectly safe. Who is making the money here?

Let's remind ourselves of the schools advice by GIRES that is linked to in our government's own curriculum statutory guidance around the equality act and education:

www.gires.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Transition-of-Pupil-in-School.pdf

I am sure the first few cases of serious health issues will be put down the violence of being misgendered and transphobia in the health service. It will be everyone else’s fault.

the FDA advises women who are, or may become, pregnant not to take Lupron® because of the risks to the developing fetus

That's fine, it's not like anyone who decides they're going to live as a male then goes on to have children.

The worst thing is, I don’t think anyone is making money, certainly not in UK or Australia with public health systems anyway. I think it’s about trans adults being able to say “look, this is a valid pathway and I was deprived of it when I was a kid, my life could have been so different”. I imagine it would help them feel like if they’d had the chance to change things life could have been better if external forces hadn’t conspired against them. If it transpires that medically adulterating the bodies of children doesn’t lead to better outcomes for adults, they’re left with having to accept the fact that they’re lives would have ended up just as they are now and they have to deal with it as an internal problem. I sincerely wish there was a much greater input and expansion of mental health services for trans adults and children with identity concerns.

But but but NotBad it is not a mental illness and everything is cured by transitioning...

Watch this video.

Lupron.

It's really cute apparently.

I started skipping the end as I have to take big swimming.

If anyone fancies posting some quotes or finding out what happened afterwards that would be great.

It’s just another of the many contradictions. Physical transition improves mental health, but it’s not a mental health disorder.

I understand that when deaths associated with drugs include cancer patients and elderly patients etc a lot of those death won't be caused by the drugs.
However, since puberty isn't normally life-threatening in itself I would like to understand what the causes of these deaths are.
How many are directly caused by the drugs? And even if this is low, is it higher than those caused by suicide by not having the drugs, which is what the drugs are supposedly being prescriped to prevent?
How many are from suicide, since concerns about increased suicidality have been raised?
How many are from things like accidents etc, and even then how does that compare to the average for age since drugs can affect behaviour (increased recklessness for eg) and concentration (safety awarness) etc.
I do hope someone is doing in-depth anyalysis on all this.

This might be the next instalment but I haven't watched it.

Oh sorry, I missed your post Birdsfoottrefoil and was responding to yours thingybob. I have to confess I'm not sure what the figures actully do mean, but I think what I said in my last post makes sense either way, hopefully.

Pharma companies make money.