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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Thousands of deaths associated with drugs given to trans children.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 20/09/2019 12:41

Really important piece including many of the issues we have discussed here before.

I'd still like to know exactly what a 'trans child' is.

The agency has recordeded_ more than 41,000 adverse events reported with their use between 2013 and June 30, 2019.*

More than 26,000 of the events associated with the two hormone blockers, Leuprolide acetate and triptorelin (which includes Lupron and similar drugs used by clinics), were classified by the federal agency as “serious,” including 6,370 deaths. The drugs, which dramatically lower testosterone and estrogen levels in the body, are linked to life-threatening blood clots and other complaints, include brittle bones and joint pain.

*Michael Laidlaw, an endocrinologist from Rocklin, California, testified before the British House of Lords on the issue of “transgender health care” in May. Laidlaw told the Register, “These drugs actually induce a known disease in previously hormonally healthy children.”

Puberty blockers, he explained, interfere with normal signals between the brain and the sex organs, thereby creating a disease state called hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in youths. “It’s a serious condition that endocrinologists would normally diagnose and treat because it interferes with development, but in [gender dysphoria] cases they’re inducing this disease state,” Laidlaw said.*

This is not a gentle pause. This is active harm to the body. The article counties to describe the active harm done to the brain and IQ levels too.

http://m.ncregister.com/daily-news/fda-thousands-of-deaths-associated-with-drugs-given-to-trans-children

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StealthChocolateHoarder · 20/09/2019 21:24

It will be the next thalidomide scandal.

In more ways than one.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 20/09/2019 21:25

And again, the question is, what happens when you're a pharma company and you make a very expensive drug that adult patients just won't comply with taking because it makes the feel so bad so quickly? Drugs are only under patent for a certain number of years and are thus expected to recoup development costs and make profit mostly during that limited time period. So, you are the company that makes Lupron and the clock is ticking. What do you do? You find a new market.

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/09/2019 21:30

You find a new market.

Fuck. There we have it.

This is absolutely fucking appalling.

Mermaids and all those who dress up the "pause" as a lovely thing are complicit in child abuse.

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BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 20/09/2019 21:30

There is no such thing as a trans child, it’s really that simple. ALL children must go through puberty to mature and understand their sexuality

this

what the actual fuckity fuck is going on? (I seem to ask that a lot)

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/09/2019 21:32

I've spent most of the kids' bedtime thinking what the fuckity fuck. Most of this week tbh.

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 20/09/2019 21:33

Oh. This seems to have been published in the BMJ today:

www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5647

'Gender dysphoria in children: puberty blockers study draws further criticism'

'we present new allegations that the researchers might have broken rules when seeking ethical approval. They might also have misinterpreted another study’s findings about potentially worrying effects of the drugs on changing bone density.'

By Newsnight reporters, as far as I can see?

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 20/09/2019 21:34

it's about having to commodify everything

children can't just have issues with the gender roles being forced on on them and then come to terms with how much they're going to accede to society's expectations

money must be spent. how else will the economy continue to grow otherwise?

FlyingOink · 20/09/2019 21:34

Aren't drugs companies finding new markets in terms of giving HRT to transitioning men? I'm sure I read that fewer menopausal women are taking it because of potential side effects.

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/09/2019 21:36

But then you have this homophobic misogynistic sexist clap trap going on from the bbc.

BBC Bitesize is teaching children being a lesbian is about gender www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3697303-BBC-Bitesize-is-teaching-children-being-a-lesbian-is-about-gender

And the NEU saying to teachers that their pupils may need to pop to the Gp for meditation (blockers, hormones.) and the toilets and changing rooms are really are very simple; simply ask the child! No any girls complaining can stfu and use a separate toilet and change.

WTF exactly.

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FluffyCloudsInTheSky · 20/09/2019 21:37

Terrifying

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/09/2019 21:38

Wow that stuff from the BMJ

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ChattyLion · 20/09/2019 21:45

Oh this looks absolutely awful. Sad

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 20/09/2019 21:53

The only positive I can find in any of this is that the BMJ is important and taken seriously, so even just getting some skepticism in there matters and is possibly a sign that the trans narrative may be beginning to lose its grip.

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/09/2019 21:58

There must be knowledge among endocrinologists, Drs etc about this behind the scenes, they just haven't been able to shout about it due to evidence and cries of bigotry. The bmj article is likely to be the start of a landslide and I hope a u turn.

Unfortunately the people on the coal face so to speak - teachers, social services, youth charities and even our own government policy writers are now brainwashed and believe the ideology.

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 20/09/2019 21:59

The BMJ report/article looks like a follow up to this Newsnight from July (I can't access the full BMJ article/paper/whatever it is).

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49036145

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/09/2019 22:09

Further info or they have written it up to submit to the bmj?

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 20/09/2019 22:14

Aha. Perhaps the latter? I can't find any other article in the BMJ by those authors.

Jolly good. Hopefully this will get noticed, then.

TheBullshitGoesOn · 20/09/2019 22:32

The drug companies are finding new markets and they are targeting children who are one or more of:

  • (potentially) homosexual
  • autistic
  • abused

The impact this ideology is having on vulnerable children causes me more anger than any other aspect.

TheBullshitGoesOn · 20/09/2019 22:37

And I was aware that Lupron can have horrendous side effects but I have been reading this and it is horrifying

www.rxlist.com/lupron-drug.htm#side_effects

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 20/09/2019 22:39

As I understand it these drugs like Lupron are NOT licensed for use to treat gender dysphoria in children - anyone giving them to children is doing so off label - so the pharma company would not be responsible for any negative outcomes? So who is legally responsible - the prescribing physician? The NHS?

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 20/09/2019 22:50

The responsibility for off-label prescribing rests with the prescriber.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 20/09/2019 23:14

The responsibility for off-label prescribing rests with the prescriber.

Ok, so from what I've read the GPs do the prescribing based on what GIDS tell them. So, who is ultimately responsible here? Sounds like the GP. Lots of GPs about to be thrown under the bus for following what so-say experts told them to do?

Birdsfoottrefoil · 20/09/2019 23:32

I wonder if the keenness to prescribe these drugs is down to the fact that many of the professionals involved are psychologists not medics: they are playing with something they simply don’t understand.

Coyoacan · 21/09/2019 03:00

I firmly believe the school in Birmingham was purposely targeted by Moffatt

Me too, and it worked.

Like someone else said, I really wish I had been wrong.

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