Sheffield strip club keeps licence despite opposition by feminist coalition

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From the way the Guardian reports it (but does anyone think their reporting is unbiased) the undercover filming that campaigners organised has worked against them.

I think the licence will be reviewer again in a year. Have a horrible feeling that if it hadn't been "feminists" campaigning but "local" people the council would have acted differently. The patriarchy likes to be seen to slapping down uppity women.

They didn't even value the opinion of the local Rape Crisis Centre which works nearby.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/17/sheffield-strip-club-keeps-licence-despite-opposition-by-feminist-coalition

Well it is dim when whistleblowers in a strip bar are accused of being sex offenders

Lol, "we're not as bad as those perves over there, we're doing it for A Cause so we're alright!"
Erm... it's not ok even if you give yourself a title of "whistleblower" to make it sound better.

Eh? Nothing about that post at 2.18 was against talk guidelines.🤐

Er.... no, didn't say that did I.

Neither did you answer the question.

Is sex work like any other work? If it is, why is it not okay to film it?

Address the contradiction in your own position before continuing to filibuster by misrepresenting everyone else's.

Have we reached "dear HQ, please delete this comment for making me look silly" o-clock? Cause if so most of the thread's going to go.

it's not ok even if you give yourself a title of "whistleblower" to make it sound better

Let's try a new question, for clarity's sake.

Which is worse?

A: whistleblowing against exploitation, illegal working conditions and potential people trafficking

B: exploitation, illegal working conditions and potential people trafficking

Yes, when women object to the objectification of women and catch a strip club out in literally dozens and dozens of licence breaches that are harming women, they're pervs. 👍

you said you were fighting in the corner of all women. Evil scary feminist witches are women too! Aim to be more inclusive, Roses.

I said I'm for all women, yes.
Did I use the words evil scary witches at all?
No. Nothing like.
I'm for "evil scary feminist witches" too (YOUR choice of words, not mine)
As they'd be women capable of free thought and opinions.
So that's the definition of inclusive. Including all, which I do.
Seems some don't though, some aren't allowed to think for themselves, and if they do they're told bless and they don't know what's good for them, unlike us women, we know better.
Either we have control over our own minds as a female or we don't.

Have we reached "dear HQ, please delete this comment for making me look silly" o-clock?

No wonder they drink 🍸

I said there seems to be a set of biological women who have taken it upon themselves to tell other biological women what they have to do, and what they should think. That they're incapable of independent thought.

Wrong. There are no subsets of biological women, just women with different opinions.

Which is worse
A: whistleblowing against exploitation, illegal working conditions and potential people trafficking

B: exploitation, illegal working conditions and potential people trafficking

Obviously B.
Doesn't mean that's a get off scot free and makes A in this scenario okay though.

More gin for HQ!

As they'd be women capable of free thought and opinions.

So theoretical they would be, but the women here aren't? Still waiting on a definition of what we are since clearly we're not women.

(Adjusts pointy hat)

Oh lang, taking any action that might stop men getting their jollies by paying to access women's bodies is obviously miles worse than exploitation, illegal working conditions and potential people trafficking

silly!

Also as a female, singular, I have only one mind. If you have multiple minds I can see how that might be a bit confusing.

There are no subsets of biological women, just women with different opinions

And I've SAID women should always be allowed to have their own opinions and thoughts!
It's obvious that some women don't extend that to other women though. Only one opinion as a woman is acceptable in some eyes.

it's just brilliant that so many women choosy choice of their own free will, entirely in a vacuum, to allow men to pay to access their bodies, even when it leaves them feeling unsafe, disrespected, undiginified

isn't it great!

Doesn't mean that's a get off scot free and makes A in this scenario okay though.

And we're back to the original point which you objected to and also said that in extremis was not sufficient justification.

When self regulation and the regulatory authority both fail consistently and repeatedly as happened here, this would be in extremis - yes? You can manage to follow this?

So, get a position, Roses. What is the correct course of action in this situation? A? Or B? Cos you've said B is worse. How do you prevent B in extremis without resorting to A?

Also: you forgot the other question. Is sex work work like any other? In which case, what's the problem filming people at work?

TheProdigalKittensReturn

It was in the general sense of the group of "evil scary feminist witches" as a whole (again, not my choice of words) which is why I used it in a less personal way as it wasn't referring to just one person.

It's a bit weird how it tends to be the poor ones and the ones without many other options rather than say the ones with double barrelled names who end up choosing that particular choosy choice though. Bit of a head scratcher, that, what with it being so empowering and all. But hey, capitalism good, whistleblowing bad, send kids back up chimneys today!

And I've SAID women should always be allowed to have their own opinions and thoughts!

Women should be allowed? By whom, by men ? Or by men and your ‘right type’ of woman?

According to the organisation, this club is just one in a long line of clubs doing exactly the same.

Would it be possible to have CCTV absolutely everywhere? With random inspections of said footage?

It's a bit weird how it tends to be the poor ones and the ones without many other options

it's really weird isn't it kittens? and that lots of men don't make the same choosy choice. given that it's so great I worry that the poor dears are missing out

I mean there's obviously butlers in the buff to consider, but aside from them

It's really baffling too that women who have made that choosy choice have such high rates of drug and alcohol addiction

if it;s so great

The simple truth that Roses will spend 40 pages filibustering to avoid admitting is this. There are two positions here:

A: Sex work is work like any other. Regulation should not be allowed to interfere with choices made by individual women. There will be increased opportunities for exploitation, grooming and trafficking but individual choice trumps this.

B: Sex work is class exploitation and should be banned or heavily regulated. Individual women will face restrictions in choice but the protection of the vulnerable/exploited and knock-on effects on the commodification of women's bodies in society trumps this.

Pick one. I'm B.

Women should be allowed? By whom, by men ? Or by men and your ‘right type’ of woman?

By everyone.
By all women
By all men.

Do we have freedom of thought as a female or not?
Are we allowed our own opinions, can we fully consent to stuff and be happy with what we do or do we have to be dictated to what to do with our bodies, what to do and how to think?

A or B, Roses, A or B?

So, get a position, Roses. What is the correct course of action in this situation
How do you prevent B in extremis without resorting to A?

I agree this would be a good solution if it would be possible
Would it be possible to have CCTV absolutely everywhere? With random inspections of said footage?