Sheffield strip club keeps licence despite opposition by feminist coalition

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From the way the Guardian reports it (but does anyone think their reporting is unbiased) the undercover filming that campaigners organised has worked against them.

I think the licence will be reviewer again in a year. Have a horrible feeling that if it hadn't been "feminists" campaigning but "local" people the council would have acted differently. The patriarchy likes to be seen to slapping down uppity women.

They didn't even value the opinion of the local Rape Crisis Centre which works nearby.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/17/sheffield-strip-club-keeps-licence-despite-opposition-by-feminist-coalition

yeah you bloody anti capitalist kill joys

there's a market for the use of women's bodies

that obviously means people should be allowed to pay to use them, right?

and that women should be allowed to meet the demand

it's a free choice OK?

women would definitely chose to do this if they had other options

That's weird that you admitted that, when you think it is ok for men to access female spaces under the pretence of being 'women'. why doesn't that dynamic matter to you I wonder.

Good point. Your righteous righteous indignation is laughable Raindrops when you’re always bleating on and derailing threads ; supporting the demands of men to access sex segregated spaces for women and children. In your little world women can’t whistleblow other women being sexually assaulted by men ( in places that serve only to objectify and degrade women) but any man can waltz into sex segregated spaces ( changing rooms, showers etc) for women and have a good gawp.

Some people have always just really wanted to sell a kidney, OK? Nothing exploitative about it, no need to look at the socioeconomics of who's selling and who's buying. Class analysis is unkind and uncivil.

I'm not sure Roses has thought it through Wurzel. I mean she can't articulate why videoing a naked person is more invasive than videoing a fully clothed person, even though the idea seems to whip her into a fury.

Some people, no matter what, will think that sexual harassment and abuse of women is acceptable

Just for clarity - I am not one of those.
That's never acceptable.

I mean she can't articulate why videoing a naked person is more invasive than videoing a fully clothed person, even though the idea seems to whip her into a fury

Fury
Er, no crack on thinking I'm in a fury lol if it makes you feel better tho
I could articulate perfectly well why but there is absolutely no point if you think taking fully clothed videos without consent is the same as taking naked ones without consent.
I mean come onnn.
You'd see it the same if I videoed you tomorrow in the nud without your knowledge and said "it's just the same as if you were clothed, how is it different?"
Of course it is.
It needs no articulation, for FWR to think it's the same is unbelievable.

Wurzelheads
I addressed the trans bit in an earlier post someone brought up - in my world, I'm for all women being allowed to think and do as they please.
Not just a select few who are deemed the "right" type of woman.

Except if they're rude, of course. That just shouldn't be allowed.

Not OK to film someone without their consent full stop, but especially not OK undressed.To have to point this out on the frickin' feminism board is unreal.

Pitiful misdirection.

You know perfectly well what point is being made to you. To whit: if sex work (usually undertaken undressed) is work like any other work (usually undertaken dressed) then what is the difference between filming sex work (undressed) and any other work (dressed)?

You know this is aimed at deconstructing the ludicrous position you yourself have taken. And so does everybody else.

Either sex work is like any other work, in which case it's fine to film it. Or it isn't, in which case it's not fine to film it.

We are saying it isn't fine to film it - except in extremis and not for public display, in order to expose regulatory failure that may lead to exploitation and trafficking.

You are saying that even though it's work like any other, it's never fine to film it, even when that allows exploitation and trafficking to flourish.

Great feministing. I'll put you up for a Woke medal.

Not just a select few who are deemed the "right" type of woman

Raindrops , you’re always bravely fighting the corner of your ‘right type’ of woman on here.

We are saying it isn't fine to film it - except in extremis and not for public display, in order to expose regulatory failure that may lead to exploitation and trafficking.

OK, you think it's ok to film naked in extremis situations, that's up to you - but you seem to be blindly missing what I said - which is who gets to decide who can film who nekkid?
How do you know it "isn't for public display"? Anything could happen to those unregulated images taken by a random person for their morality cause.

Well see it's different if almost everyone is the wrong type, somehow. That makes you a Robin Hood like figure who's, um, stealing bogs from the women and giving them to the women with something a bit extra downstairs?

Raindrops , you’re always bravely fighting the corner of your ‘right type’ of woman on here

Yes, all women - like the ones being shouted down on this thread and told they're either dim, brainwashed, or MRA shill if they disagree with the majority.
Not just the right type of biological woman. People keep trying to make it into a trans thread and it's not.
My comment was in regards to the biological women who have to shush as they don't know any better or should be told how to think and what to do.

I’m not for women being allowed to think and do as they please. Nor men. Not children. We all need to follow the rule of law and contribute to a civil society and lots of the things that individuals want to do break those laws or make society uncivil.

Personally I think people who love taking their clothes off and having other people perve at them should crack on and do it. In the privacy of their own homes, to only consenting adults. And since they love it there is no need for money to change hands.
God, sex is the biggest free pleasure. I hate it being commodified. It’s like paying for water in a plastic bottle rather than filling a reusable water bottle; meets a momentary need for the lazy and selfish but makes the environment toxic for everyone.

Thanks Lang, really clear post

Is sex work just work or is it different? And if so why?

That’s the question (well, one of them)

If the film of those women ended up on porn hub, and was sold, then that would be wrong.

It wasn't and it didn't.

That's called morality. Understanding the difference.

you seem to be blindly missing what I said

Oh, the irony. Put up or....

... answer the question.

if sex work (usually undertaken undressed) is work like any other work (usually undertaken dressed) then what is the difference between filming sex work (undressed) and any other work (dressed)?

So wait, the female majority on this board aren't women then? We're unwomen? Woman -?

Well it is dim when whistleblowers in a strip bar are accused of being sex offenders 🤣

God, sex is the biggest free pleasure. I hate it being commodified. It’s like paying for water in a plastic bottle rather than filling a reusable water bottle; meets a momentary need for the lazy and selfish but makes the environment toxic for everyone.

If we're being honest whenever I see someone argue in favor of the sex industry I assume that their own sex life must be absolutely grim. If your normal is set at alienated and miserable then sure, I guess the sex industry would seem normal. This is particularly the case for the people whose argument is that well they'd be doing it anyway so may as well get paid.

So wait, the female majority on this board aren't women then?

Er.... no, didn't say that did I.
I said there seems to be a set of biological women who have taken it upon themselves to tell other biological women what they have to do, and what they should think. That they're incapable of independent thought.

Are there not CCTV cameras in strip clubs anyway? I remember at least one court case of drug dealing inside one where CCTV evidence was used. Seems odd that anyone inside one would have a presumption of not being filmed.

(Sorry if I’ve missed this on the thread, it’s moved fast.)

That's not what you said actually, you said you were fighting in the corner of all women. Evil scary feminist witches are women too! Aim to be more inclusive, Roses.