Sheffield strip club keeps licence despite opposition by feminist coalition

[stumbledin]

From the way the Guardian reports it (but does anyone think their reporting is unbiased) the undercover filming that campaigners organised has worked against them.

I think the licence will be reviewer again in a year. Have a horrible feeling that if it hadn't been "feminists" campaigning but "local" people the council would have acted differently. The patriarchy likes to be seen to slapping down uppity women.

They didn't even value the opinion of the local Rape Crisis Centre which works nearby.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/17/sheffield-strip-club-keeps-licence-despite-opposition-by-feminist-coalition

FWIW I'm B

See the problem is that every time I try to exercise my freedom of thought Roses has a strop about it.

It's a really clearly articulated question lang if I may say so

I'd expect anyone to be able to give a clear answer to that

I’m B to the extent that the term “sex work” makes my fanjo wince.

See the problem is that every time I try to exercise my freedom of thought Roses has a strop about it.
No strops here, just a different opinion - one difference though in that I'm not the one curtailing other women and telling them what to do.

Being serious for a moment, doesn't pretty much everyone hate ubiquitous CCTV? Seems like an odd thing to suggest in the name of greater privacy for anyone. I've seen stuff taken from CCTV and shown on the news that's had me thinking I wonder if the person in that footage is OK with it being shown on TV and if anyone bothered to ask.

You are though, and then saying you're not, which is just silly.

No strops here, just a different opinion - one difference though in that I'm not the one curtailing other women and telling them what to do.

Erm... sorry you don’t want to curtail other women from filming in a strip club to expose abuse?

You OK hon?

I've seen stuff taken from CCTV and shown on the news that's had me thinking I wonder if the person in that footage is OK with it being shown on TV and if anyone bothered to ask

yes, it's sinister and horrible

but OK if everyone has their clothes on

for reasons that can't be fully articulated

Chaps its so obvious who you are-no woman in her right mind likes knowing other women can be thrown pennies to be raped. If sex work is work then why are only trafficked/desperate women and sadly children doing it? Its clear as day yr agenda-Get a life you basement dwelling losers

You're framing it with YOUR take on it by saying there are two positions here though!

I'm going for Option C.

C - Strip club work is work like any other. There should always be regulations in place to help protect workers and anyone found in violation of the license or rules should be held to account just like in any other workplace.
I agree that regular review of footage would be good if this was possible, such as CCTV camera mentioned upthread. (Obviously letting the women know they were being filmed - consent.)
Random protesters off the street doing it off their own back in secret is not the way to go about it.
Women are capable of independent thought and know their own minds.

Would it be possible to have CCTV absolutely everywhere? With random inspections of said footage?

I agree this would be a good solution if it would be possible

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You think that exploitative employment contracts requiring women in sex work to be filmed at all times is better than one-off whistleblowing investigations in cases of consistent and persistent regulatory failure? Even though both involve states of undress.

One of your best yet. You've surpassed yourself there.

Erm... sorry you don’t want to curtail other women from filming in a strip club to expose abuse?

FFS. word twisting!
No.I don't want other women curtailing the choice and freedom of other women.

That was the best slavery is freedom moment of the thread, though I think Orwell's editor might have rejected it as overegging the pudding a bit.

No.I don't want other women curtailing the choice and freedom of other women.

All good if it's men though.

(I'm trying so hard to resist the temptation to be the SPAG police and it's HARD.)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

FFS lol, pathetic
it was put across as a genuine solution by yourself until I dared to agree with you.
How are random people off the street on a moral crusade a better solution than regulated CCTV footage?
Seriously, how?
Have you got a better solution?
What's your answer then?
Or don't you have one?

Because, of course, giving sex work employers (those well known fine upstanding citizens and backbone of society) the legal right to impose filming of employees at all times is much less likely to see videos ending up for profit on Porn Hub than a bunch of feminists doing last ditch whistleblowing in the face of regulatory failure.

You've got to hand it to Roses. She's a genius.

so other women can't curtail the choices of other women

but someone can curtail the choices of some women to undertake covert filming to expose serious regulatory failure

but no one can curtail the choices of women to be exploited for men's sexual gratification

I think I'm going to join MNHQ in that drink

Gin! GIN I SAID! and make it snappy

(that was to DS2(5). )

They'd be selling access to it as a livestream before you could say ka-ching.

it was put across as a genuine solution by yourself

I suggested fixed and permanent CCTV in work places as a good solution? I think not.

Point of order - I have thus far been unable to train my cat to bring me cocktails, so I feel that Bernard has an unfair advantage.

Lang didn't say anything, roses. I asked a question. I do it a lot. It's how I find stuff out.

We are all Lang, apparently.

FFS. word twisting!
No.I don't want other women curtailing the choice and freedom of other women.

Indeed. You want to curtail the choice and freedom of women who want to curtail the choice and freedom of other women. Pretty hypocritical, no?

Did I miss whether you plumped for A or B?