Sheffield strip club keeps licence despite opposition by feminist coalition

[stumbledin]

From the way the Guardian reports it (but does anyone think their reporting is unbiased) the undercover filming that campaigners organised has worked against them.

I think the licence will be reviewer again in a year. Have a horrible feeling that if it hadn't been "feminists" campaigning but "local" people the council would have acted differently. The patriarchy likes to be seen to slapping down uppity women.

They didn't even value the opinion of the local Rape Crisis Centre which works nearby.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/17/sheffield-strip-club-keeps-licence-despite-opposition-by-feminist-coalition

I'm not sure how you've got your age roses, without realising that if you post an opinion that 99% of people think is wrong, you get disagreed with.

Oh come on, using the word girls to describe women isn't automatically dodgy!
I know loads of people who refer to their friends and social circles as "the girls".

There is a world of difference between referring to your friends as "girls" and referring to your work colleagues, (some of whom were clearly not friends of Courtney's ) employees or any other women in your "industry" as "girls"

Why are punter lobbyists so keen to refer to adult women as "girls"?

RosesAndRaindrops

You seem to repeat yourself a lot. I know people sometimes don't realise they are doing that. Anyway, thought I would mention it the once.

I dont agree with everything

Never have and ive said so

But where cunt could definitely open my eyes to other opinions all courtney has done is put me off engaging at all

And thats fine, but for anyone that is put of by the assertiveness of an FWR poster there is another put off by the assertiveness of posters with the opposite view

I know its suits some people’s agendas to see FWR as a hive mind and them and us...its incredibly clear on this thread

Waterloo
Your post at 12.43 is framed to anyone skim reading that that here's children in strip clubs.
Starts off with primary school, and talking to your own 12 year old... then only at the end you say you're actually talking about 18 year olds.

I believe that the age of 18 is still too young (looking at the photo of those protesters) to tell me that being paid by men to make them a vast profit by showing other men your gentitals is empowering. But the market wants and needs this extreme youth, doesn't it.

Are 18 year olds extreme youth? You're a young of age ADULT at 18.
So why lump them in with extreme youth to paint a picture of a child in the strip clubs?
If by child you mean an 18 year old, they're not "children" at that age.
And there's a world of difference between an actual child and an 18 year old.
Makes me wonder how old the child you say you saw in a strip club actually was? If an 18 year old to you is too?

Are 18 year olds extreme youth? You're a young of age ADULT at 18.

When you're talking in the context of a highly abusive strip club, where these girls are coerced into offering extras, that is just ugh.

Roses, I will not be responding to you other than to say your post has mede me feel quite nauseated.

Try posting against something they believe in and having a differing opinion of your own instead of sitting neutrally most of the time though

Just to confirm.....i have done this many times

Its possible thats its how i say stuff rather than what I actually say

Maybe just go back to repeating yourself, then we an all safely ignore you.

How low can you go.

Are 18 year olds extreme youth? You're a young of age ADULT at 18.

Yep, Roses, everyone reading what you're posting is nodding along with you. That's exactly what they're doing.

Do carry on!

You might want to reread waters post at 12:20 roses

That post about 18yo girls/women is creepy, gross and disturbing. I’m breaching my own grey rock policy to say that, but it’s too bad to let pass.

Crikey.

Rosesalso thinks stripping is just a job, the same as any other.
Roses whatever you do don’t get involved in careers advice for sixth formers. You might find they don’t take too kindly to your opinions.

I’d much rather you kept your days occupied with tirelessly derailing FWR.

It does sound creepy and gross yes when put so bluntly, but I'm not the one who made the initial post of extreme youth, primary school and 12 year olds and children extreme youth in strip clubs when it seems to be that they were actually talking about 18 year olds
There's a world of difference there to the extreme youth implied.

Ugh.

when it seems to be that they were actually talking about 18 year olds

Nope. She said 18 is still too young.

I believe that the age of 18 is still too young (looking at the photo of those protesters) to tell me that being paid by men to make them a vast profit by showing other men your gentitals is empowering. But the market wants and needs this extreme youth, doesn't it

Here you are - 18 year olds and the market wants and needs this extreme youth paragraph right after the rest of the post talking about children in strip clubs.
But pretend you can't see what I'm actually saying again by all means.

Roses, what do you think those two sentences are saying?

Ok, for the dimwitted.

Courtenay said this:
"You watch...one of them will turn that into something like "oh look, the happy hooker called us stupid". A primary school level of understanding knows that's not true. But that's literally the level our industry puts up with."

There is no primary school level of understanding of the industry. There is no discussion of the sex industry at primary school level. So what do you actually mean by this, Courtenay? That people are expressing analysis of sexual exploitation of "girls" and women at a level that knows nothing about sex or sexual arousal? That we can somehow be adults and mothers on mumsnet but have the same level of knowledge of sex and sexuality as pre teens, ie next to nothing? You make no sense.

Again at 12, and I was quoting a PP, no parent is going to be advising a 12 year old girl that selling sex and sexual acts is empowering as a career choice unless they are seriously sociopathic and dangerous. I can't believe I am writing this down on mumsnet.

Finally, the picture of the protesters upthread wanting to continue to show their genitals to men for money in high risk environments who don't look much over 18, which minimum age I expect regulations in this country require (but not in Russia) are still too young in my mind to be able to make an informed judgement on what is empowering and what isn't. The industry depends on easily exploited and manipulated young people. And having seen with my own eyes how young the girls are when there is no age regulation to stop this, no one can tell me otherwise.

Roses, how very unpleasant your posts are.

Waterloo
Your post at 12.43 is framed to anyone skim reading that that here's children in strip clubs.
Starts off with primary school, and talking to your own 12 year old... then only at the end you say you're actually talking about 18 year olds

What she actually said:

The women were very, very young, you could actually properly call them girls. They mostly had immature breasts. This caused me the most discomfort. Whilst sitting at the bar a tiny little girl came and asked us if we would like to go out the back

The '18 year olds' (that you deem entirely appropriate for strip clubs), are the protesters in Sheffield.

Honestly, when you read some of this crap here you really see how people like Epstein and Saville can do what they do with impunity.

So many cheerleaders.

Your post at 12.43 is framed to anyone skim reading

Such a deceptive little linguistic trick.

Claiming that it's the fault of the poster that you are skim reading.

Little bit of advice, stop skim reading.

Or if you are incapable of reading any other way, except responsibility that it results in comprehension failure.

But pretend you can't see what I'm actually saying again by all means.

Everybody can see what you're saying Roses. Don't you worry about that.

A primary school level of understanding knows that's not true. But that's literally the level our industry puts up with

There is no primary school level of understanding of the industry *
There is no discussion of the sex industry at primary school level

FFS! Then I'm the apparently dimwitted one?!
Read what she actually put again.
As in, some posters there is LITERALLY primary school debate when it comes to differing views. As there's no listening to other views, just playground jibe crap.
Twisty shit. Again.
Like she said in the first place!!
Jesus Christ.
It wasn't about primary school level of the industry.
Fux sake.
Sorry, I meant fucks sake.