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Sheffield strip club keeps licence despite opposition by feminist coalition

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stumbledin · 18/09/2019 16:13

From the way the Guardian reports it (but does anyone think their reporting is unbiased) the undercover filming that campaigners organised has worked against them.

I think the licence will be reviewer again in a year. Have a horrible feeling that if it hadn't been "feminists" campaigning but "local" people the council would have acted differently. The patriarchy likes to be seen to slapping down uppity women.

They didn't even value the opinion of the local Rape Crisis Centre which works nearby. Sad

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/17/sheffield-strip-club-keeps-licence-despite-opposition-by-feminist-coalition

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Somerville · 19/09/2019 21:34

Ugly prudes with unfaithful husbands.

Aye that’s me. Grin

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 19/09/2019 21:35

You do you somerville

No judgement here Grin

PennysPocket · 19/09/2019 21:35

Roses
Men do rule the world.
How many World leaders are female?
How many female priminustes has the UK had?

You really are stupid if all you have is....not all men.... Ha ha ha you are pretty pathetic but cheers for the laughs 😂

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 21:38

My child free father is a good man

OK, maybe it's just me being stupid but how can your father be child free?! Confused Grin
By default he has a child if you're saying he's your Dad?

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 21:39

Ugly prudes with unfaithful husbands.
Where has anyone actually said anything like that though?
Nobody's even mentioned looks.
Unless I've cross posted again

littlbrowndog · 19/09/2019 21:41

Somerville is it you that thinks the sexual act between a man and a woman is dirty. ?

Haha see when I read that post from ms Melanie and what was it throwing the shame on the female body. I was kinda thinking that is Somerville 🤣

Datun · 19/09/2019 21:43

Courtney, it's amazing that you've never come across any women exploited through dancing, but the very subject of this thread is about what was it 200 breaches of regulations for dancing women, in 20 minutes, at one club.

Datun · 19/09/2019 21:46

Ugly prudes with unfaithful husbands.

What about unfaithful prudes with ugly husbands?

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 19/09/2019 21:49

he sexual act between a man and a woman is dirty

If its not dirty you’re not doing it right...

I’ll get me coat

Courtney555 · 19/09/2019 21:50

OP.... In response to your post...

There have been accusations that the secret filming of women at work in the club was exploitative.

Bloody right it is. How dare anybody film me without my knowledge at all and especially when I am potentially naked in a private dance. How dare they.

It was an investigation into whether the club was breaching the licence agreement and to do that they needed evidence.

No "they" didn't. "They" didn't need anything. They took it upon themselves for their own self purpose to film us like pitiful rescue animals get filmed in crates.

This they found through the filming which is a standard method for undercover investigation.

By an official authority perhaps. Not some self appointed Captain-Save-A-Ho troup.

The issue here is were the women coerced into sexaul contact by the club or were they individuals acting on their own initiative.

Absolutely individuals acting on their own initiative. Because we are all self employed, and if we see any girl doing "extras" she's reported by the rest of us and sacked. Immediately. Because if you want to be a prostitute, fine. But don't come in to a dance club because the hourly rate is higher, and perform your services in there. It's not what we do. It's bloody hard to be a successful dancer. If you're not good enough to be a dancer, get out of our club, don't piggyback off our hourly rate then just grab people's dicks for an hour because that's all you can do. It's a real skill to entertain someone at the huge prices we charge and for them to come back for more, you need to be very skilled to do it, and I'm damn proud of us.

Either way the club as the managers of the work environment were ultimately responsible. And this is why they shouldn't have had their licence renewed as the evidence showed they couldn't manage the club properly.

I don't know what the "evidence" specifically showed. But if the management knew there was prostitution going on and welcomed it, yes, it is no way representative of any club I've encountered in a decade, and should be closed immediately.

The fact that they apparently sacked some women doesn't mean they are innocent and the women guilty.

Oh the women are guilty, trust me. No one touched me. Ever. Dancers are in full control of the situation. If any of these women try and claim "oh I couldn't help it" he just kept persistently touching me, it's a lie. They allowed it. If someone walks up to you and grabs your ass, you don't stand there and go "oh no, there's nothing I can do about this" Hmm If my doormen saw anyone try and touch me, they'd be out without their feet touching the floor. Zero tolerance.

But have to say would have liked to see something from campaigners about making contact with those sacked to here there side of the story.

This will be a tricky one. Because if they've been doing extras in a club and been sacked for it, are they going to admit it was all down to them, or is it easier to attempt to save a bit of face and say "oh that big bad club made me".

And if necessary putting them in touch with a union. (Isn't it the GMB who says they represent women in "sex work"?)

Couldn't tell you. My whole ten+ years of actual experience in the industry, I've never had any reason to need a union or even know if one existed.

OP, you ask some very interesting points.

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 21:51

Your so called side" is the ones going on about looks.
Nobody else has even mentioned them.
What's a woman's looks got to do with the price of bread where she stands on the matter?

PennysPocket · 19/09/2019 21:57

OK, maybe it's just me being stupid but how can your father be child free?! confused grin

Yes you are being stupid.
Child of four as I have said previously but my phone chose its own path.
However feel free to ignore the important part of my post and focus on that... That's what you are good at.

Somerville · 19/09/2019 21:57

What about unfaithful prudes with ugly husbands?

I’m overthinking, but why would a prude bother being unfaithful?

If it’s not dirty you’re not doing it right

PASS ME SMELLING SALTS

i was kinda thinking that’s Somerville

Entirely. Prude all the way. (Ahem. We’ve established that other threads may not be searched and brought onto this one, right?)

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 21:57

How dare anybody film me without my knowledge at all and especially when I am potentially naked in a private dance. How dare they.

Exactly - but it's alright apparently consent and naked pics is fine and rules don't apply if you're a feminist.
I'll come down tomorrow and come and film ya. --not really, for clarity before I'm taken seriously lol)
Don't worry though, it's alright because even though I'm Joe Public on a cause I can film you with no clothes on without you knowing!
I'm saving you from yourself, you see.
You poor, brainwashed person you [JOKE)
So it's OK. I 'm fine to.
Or something....

Courtney555 · 19/09/2019 21:57

@Datun

Courtney, it's amazing that you've never come across any women exploited through dancing, but the very subject of this thread is about what was it 200 breaches of regulations for dancing women, in 20 minutes, at one club.

Datun I absolutely agree. I find it astonishing. I'd love to know what they purport to have seen. Because it's so unbelievably far from anything I've physically experienced, I can't even understand how you'd start to breach 200 things in 20 minutes.

Where's the footage or the report? I'd love to see what all these violations were. I'd soon know what was down to whom, so to speak.

MsMelanie · 19/09/2019 21:58

There is a sex workers union in Scotland but I think it is only for scottish workers. The majority of sex workers in this country (remember most are online) would be classed as self employed so not eligible to join.

TinselAngel · 19/09/2019 21:59

why would a prude bother being unfaithful?

Maybe if they want some prudish fun but their other half is kinky?

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 22:00
  • you are being stupid. Child of four as I have said previously but my phone chose its own path.*

How the heck am I being stupid when you've just admitted your phone went bonkers and posted something you didn't mean?
Am I supposed to have a crystal ball now to know your phone was playing silly buggers?
Fux sake.

PennysPocket · 19/09/2019 22:00

What were the 200 breaches?

Creepster · 19/09/2019 22:01

R&R, just so you know, it is hard to figure out who you think you are addressing, because most of the time you seem to be talking to yourself.

Creepster · 19/09/2019 22:03

Most of the people calling themselves "sex workers" are traffickers, pimps and recruiters.

Courtney555 · 19/09/2019 22:03

@MsMelanie

All dancers are self employed, you're right.

Somerville · 19/09/2019 22:03

Maybe if they want some prudish fun but their other half is kinky?

“Join me for missionary position with the lights out and our socks on” still feels a bit much for a prude to whisper TBH.

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 22:04

R&R, just so you know, it is hard to figure out who you think you are addressing, because most of the time you seem to be talking to yourself.

Fast moving thread so lots of crossed posts after hitting send.
I quoted the poster's comment I was referring to it just didn't bold properly
It was PennyPockets post I quoted.

MsMelanie · 19/09/2019 22:06

I’m listening . She’s one of the few voices that is informed