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Sheffield strip club keeps licence despite opposition by feminist coalition

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stumbledin · 18/09/2019 16:13

From the way the Guardian reports it (but does anyone think their reporting is unbiased) the undercover filming that campaigners organised has worked against them.

I think the licence will be reviewer again in a year. Have a horrible feeling that if it hadn't been "feminists" campaigning but "local" people the council would have acted differently. The patriarchy likes to be seen to slapping down uppity women.

They didn't even value the opinion of the local Rape Crisis Centre which works nearby. Sad

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/17/sheffield-strip-club-keeps-licence-despite-opposition-by-feminist-coalition

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TinselAngel · 19/09/2019 19:10

Well actually try looking up the poster instead of just assuming

You'll concede it the same poster though Roses?

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 19:10

Ah right courtney thanks for the explanation, cross posted!
Least got some context now instead of just accusations and insinuations.
Makes more sense now..
Although what previous threads and not this one has to do with this topic is 'anyone's guess.
It's always frowned upon usually. Seems you're allowed to bring up other threads if it fits your narrative/discredit
This board's always illuminating

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 19:14

You'll concede it the same poster though Roses?

Cross posted again
Yes as she has now posted with context and confirmed.
Which I cross posted with.
The fact she just posts on strip club threads though is obviously a blatant lie and attempt to make out she's some kind of strip bot - as anyone who cares to check for themselves instead of just believing what they're told would find out.

Courtney555 · 19/09/2019 19:15

I don't know if it was no longer necessary Courtney, all I know is that you said you mostly stopped. I'm interested in why

Ah, ok. So, initially while you build up a rapport with a customer, its more like, they'll come in a few times and pay for a half hour of your time. In that half hour each time, you'll chat, dance, strip. Sort of all in one go. I'd be yapping away whilst I was twirling about. Clothes on. Clothes off. It's more about the performance. It's quite theatrical.

After a few of these the customer isn't interested in the performance. They just come in to see you, and where the big money starts. They'll book maybe two hours. They aren't bothered watching me get my kit off, it's honestly boring by then. They want my company. I seem to have offended (or at least they'll act offended) about using the term therapist. That's literally how we feel. (Call it whatever label you want instead of hanging on to that to make a fuss about and another excuse to derail and ignore the real voice of the women in the industry) I mean for the two hours I'll listen to a story about a shitty divorce, about a sister's wedding, about the daughter's new horse, about the dog biting the mother in law, about the neighbours cutting down the hedge that wasn't theirs. I'll listen, I'll offer my opinion, I'll laugh along. Most customers were men, I had a few couples as regulars, and two female regulars.

So, once a customer got to what I would call a regular, and the biggest spenders, jiggling boobs about was not what they were coming to experience.

Sorry that was a bit long lol...make sense?

stumbledin · 19/09/2019 19:23

Sorry but I haven't had time to read through this thread so this point may have been made already.

There have been accusations that the secret filming of women at work in the club was exploitative.

It was an investigation into whether the club was breaching the licence agreement and to do that they needed evidence.

This they found through the filming which is a standard method for undercover investigation.

The issue here is were the women coerced into sexaul contact by the club or were they individuals acting on their own initiative.

Either way the club as the managers of the work environment were ultimately responsible. And this is why they shouldn't have had their licence renewed as the evidence showed they couldn't manage the club properly.

The fact that they apparently sacked some women doesn't mean they are innocent and the women guilty.

But have to say would have liked to see something from campaigners about making contact with those sacked to here there side of the story.

And if necessary putting them in touch with a union. (Isn't it the GMB who says they represent women in "sex work"?)

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RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 19:23

Sorry that was a bit long lol...make sense?

Made perfect sense Smile
I'm actually finding it interesting reading a strippers point of view of it all, can't imagine me ever doing it myself lol but I'm aware everyone's different!
You sound like you enjoy it, I don't see why you should have your choice taken away because other women think they know better for you.
It's treating every single women as victims just because they're female.
How is that right?
Save women who want saving. Need saving.

Courtney555 · 19/09/2019 19:27

Courtney - let's say I completely credit your absurd purple prose and your £440 an hour. No problem. You loved your job. You were so fulfilled by it that you were practically as orgasmic as the punters and this is why your nostalgia prose is quite so purple. Good for you.

But this thread isn't about you soaring twenty feet in the air having the time of your life or whatever you'd have us believe.

This thread is about a particular establishment, known to be breaking its licensing conditions on a regular basis and opening up its employees to exploitation, illegal acts and coercion. The licensing authority failed in its duty to act. So an undercover sting took place. The evidence of that sting was backed up by witness testimonies from a number of ex-employees of that establishment, confirming these employment conditions had existed over a long period of time.

Tell me: why should I believe you and not them? What about their testimonies is so threatening that you'd expend so much energy trying to distract from the topic at hand? The topic at hand is: how do we prevent dangerous and exploitative conditions for women working in strip clubs if the regulatory framework fails?*

Grin

Having my tea...but will absolutely address this later...

Somerville · 19/09/2019 19:27

I seem to have offended (or at least they'll act offended) about using the term therapist. That's literally how we feel. (Call it whatever label you want instead of hanging on to that to make a fuss about and another excuse to derail and ignore the real voice of the women in the industry) I mean for the two hours I'll listen to a story about a shitty divorce, about a sister's wedding, about the daughter's new horse, about the dog biting the mother in law, about the neighbours cutting down the hedge that wasn't theirs. I'll listen, I'll offer my opinion, I'll laugh along.

You’ve had an awful lot of formal education to claim with a straight face to be like a therapist on the basis of a load of stuff that is nothing like what a therapist does.

I leave my therapy sessions crying, or bridling at being challenged, or full of thoughts I need to continue unpacking. And I prepare - sometime for hours - for my therapy. Thinking and writing and working through complex things.

It’s not having someone to listen, laugh along, offer an opinion.
(That’s friendship. What you describe is offering fake friendship for money, and anyone paying £480 an hour for it would be a mug.)

Trewser · 19/09/2019 19:29

They pay £480 an hour to sit and chat Shock why do you charge them that much if all they are doing is chatting?!

LangCleg · 19/09/2019 19:29

Roses - I'm still waiting.

TinselAngel · 19/09/2019 19:30

Yes as she has now posted with context and confirmed

But normally one doesn't have to wait for a poster to confirm it was them on a previous thread. One can use one's memory.

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 19:34

But normally one doesn't have to wait for a poster to confirm it was them on a previous thread. One can use one's memory

We're not all you, people who weren't on the thread won't have a frickin clue if it was or not.
So it's good we've got some context now.
As it was so blatantly an attempt to shut her up by belittling her position and view.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 19/09/2019 19:38

omeone mentioned clubs being money laundering places for biker gangs with drugs

In their experience...in Canada I believe

I’m a great one for respecting peoples lived experience

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 19:47

in their experience...in Canada I believe

She's posted her comment explaining the post for comment, so not sure what the jump in with your take on it has to do with anything as it's her clarification what's important here?
So bloody what if she was/is in Canada?
With the "time zones waking up, new contingent!" and bot insinuations everywhere you're going for another one?
It's a massive international forum, who cares where we're from?!
They're issues that affect us all wherever we live.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 19/09/2019 19:51

What on earth are you talking about

courtney lives in britain as far as i know

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 19/09/2019 19:52

Apologies if you dont live in Britain courtney Smile

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 19:58

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer Thu 19-Sep-19 19:38:

In their experience...in Canada I believe

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer Thu 19-Sep-19 19:51:08
What on earth are you talking about

courtney lives in britain as far as i know

So why mention Canada then if not to muddle and confuse?
Exactly why I said nobody else's take is important here as all this horseshit just confuses things. Courtney's clarification is what matters as we all know how things get twisted on here.
And what the hell has the other thread got to do with this one in the first place?!
See, this is presumably why MN doesn't usually allow other threads bringing onto other ones as nobody has a fucking clue if you're "not in the know"
Loads of "she said he said" bollocks.
We're on this thread.

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 19:59

Actually listen to viewpoints of others instead of trying to discredit them /make out they're a baddie.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 19/09/2019 20:03

Wasnt discrediting courtney at all

You are the one that decided to jump on a post that in no way referred to you and decided to discredit me for some obscure reason known only to yourslf

Its very weird

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 19/09/2019 20:04

I am really not sure why you are attacking me

I even said that i belive in others lived experience

So quite obviously i am referring to courtney as well in that...why would i not

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 20:07

Its very weird
Yeah. You're right. It is.
Oh, and just to spell out for clarity, my last post was to everyone trying to bring up past threads/shout bingo with time zones and accuse of being a bot, wasn't meaning it to be just aimed at you if it came across that way.
Listen.
To other viewpoints outside your (general) your bubble.
And realise all women aren't you (general you) and capable of thinking for themselves.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 19/09/2019 20:17

wasn't meaning it to be just aimed at you if it came across that way

Just?

Shouldn’t be aimed at me in the first place as I haven’t done any of those things

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 20:23

Yeah you did, with your "Canada I believe and what are you talking about she lives in Britain" nonsense.
Which is why I said you (general you) opinion on what the other thread was or wasn't about isn't relevant, only Courtneys is.
It's this utter bullshit you're just supposed to let slide.

BeMoreMagdalen · 19/09/2019 20:25

Bloody nora. So much heat, no light at all. Still, I kind of admire the plucky desire to believe you're sticking up for the poor beleaguered astroturfers people on the thread promoting sex work as good clean aspirational fun.

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 20:26

Oh, and for clarity I mentioned you (general) you in relation to time zone bingo bots as well before I get told I missed that one off.

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