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Sheffield strip club keeps licence despite opposition by feminist coalition

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stumbledin · 18/09/2019 16:13

From the way the Guardian reports it (but does anyone think their reporting is unbiased) the undercover filming that campaigners organised has worked against them.

I think the licence will be reviewer again in a year. Have a horrible feeling that if it hadn't been "feminists" campaigning but "local" people the council would have acted differently. The patriarchy likes to be seen to slapping down uppity women.

They didn't even value the opinion of the local Rape Crisis Centre which works nearby. Sad

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/17/sheffield-strip-club-keeps-licence-despite-opposition-by-feminist-coalition

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/09/2019 18:29

It's a shame the midnight misogynist seems to have moved on, they would have made an interesting match.

Somerville · 19/09/2019 18:32

It's about being a borderline therapist.

And everyone claiming to be a stripper-come-therapist is displaying audacity and undermining actual therapists - a role involving high levels of training, very tight boundaries and ongoing supervision, and very often undertaken by women.
I’ve no doubt that many men who go to strip clubs are in need of therapy but that’s not why they are there - that’s erections. You describe your role too as providing escapism, which is the exact opposite of a healthy therapeutic environment, which needs to be based on absolute reality.

Stop it.

DickKerrLadies · 19/09/2019 18:34

Men go to strip clubs for athleticism and counselling?

And people actually believe them when they say that?

Trewser · 19/09/2019 18:35

I presume they need counselling because their wives don't understand them.

Yawn. That old trope.

BarbaraStrozzi · 19/09/2019 18:36

Well said, Somerville.

CuntAmongstThePigeons · 19/09/2019 18:36

They're not claiming Somer, they are. Women are capable of working different jobs at different times of their lives in different industries

Somerville · 19/09/2019 18:37

Yes Trewser or grief therapy because they are widowers. Hmm

Courtney555 · 19/09/2019 18:37

Just echoing everything Courtney said. I wish people would listen to women who've actually done the job.

Apparently they're so busy being feminists they have no time to respect the actual voice of the women in question. No matter how many of us repeatedly stand up for our industry, they know best. So fucking patronising and double standards isn't it.

You can't make them listen or understand though. They'll always be that way. That's not a reflection on us. I'll always be so proud and happy of my time as a dancer. I could cry that I'll never go back now. I miss everything so much, but we've got exciting times ahead of us with the patter of more tiny feet, and I can't wait for that, which helps no end.

Like Jaq The Stripper says; "No one will ever let you forget you were a stripper. But why would you want too?"

Perfect.

DickKerrLadies · 19/09/2019 18:38

It's crazy that groups like CAMHS have such massive waiting lists when there's all these places with people providing therapy. Perhaps we should send all the kids to strip clubs instead? (I should probably clarify that I'm being sarcastic before this gets selectively screenshot on twitter)

Somerville · 19/09/2019 18:39

There are strippers trained as counsellors who are insured and supervised to legitimately offer therapy to punters in that well-known safe therapeutic environment of a strip club?
Bollocks to that.
Literally.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 19/09/2019 18:40

Courtney, I'm curious about why you stopped stripping once you had regulars?

why did you need to strip to get regulars?

Propertyofhood · 19/09/2019 18:42

Hi Courtney - have you updated your accounting training by brushing up on your money laundering knowledge yet? Wink

Courtney555 · 19/09/2019 18:45

If the women in that spearmint rhino were taking home anything like £480 per hour, well, I'll be quite surprised

This is my point. You haven't got a clue but claim an equally founded voice to someone who knows the industry inside out. I've worked in Spearmint Rhino. Not the Sheffield one, but it's a chain, so. It's £440 an hour. 6 years ago. It will be at least that now. So, rather then be surprised because you know nothing but happily assume, be educated. Listen.

Form your opinions on actual experience. If you have none, then fine, try listening to those that do. Like you said, you don't have to agree once you've got the facts, but at least have the basic level of knowledge about something you want to be so strongly opinionated about.

Courtney555 · 19/09/2019 18:47

Courtney, I'm curious about why you stopped stripping once you had regulars?"

Just to clarify, do you mean why was it no longer necessary?

TinselAngel · 19/09/2019 18:48

This is what I'm arguing for, take the strip clubs away from the control of the punters and enable them to become an environment where the dancing skills of the women are admired not their naked tits.

Places like this exist already though. How about going to watch some musical theatre?

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 18:50

i Courtney - have you updated your accounting training by brushing up on your money laundering knowledge yet?

Has Courtney actually confirmed it was her the poster was referring to?
Otherwise it's just yet another pathetic attempt to discredit and smear a poster with a differing opinion.
It's either one of those scenarios or you're under the impression that there can't possibly be more than one educated stripper out there.
Must be the same one, amirite?!

Courtney555 · 19/09/2019 18:50

This is what I'm arguing for, take the strip clubs away from the control of the punters and enable them to become an environment where the dancing skills of the women are admired not their naked tits.

I haven't read the full thread (read enough to see it was the same old same old)...but note this has been quoted quite a bit. What's this about?

Somerville · 19/09/2019 18:50

I’m not listening to the voice of anyone who undermines therapists by claiming that’s what they do as a strip club employee. Making men feel good about themselves by listening to them talk at you is not being a therapist.

It makes your “actual experience” immediately laughable.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 19/09/2019 18:51

I don't know if it was no longer necessary Courtney, all I know is that you said you mostly stopped. I'm interested in why

TinselAngel · 19/09/2019 18:55

Must be the same one, amirite?!

I don't need to do an advanced search to know there's likely to only be one £480 an hour retired stripper, with accountancy degrees, called Courtney on MN, who only posts on threads about Strip Clubs.

Courtney555 · 19/09/2019 18:59

@RosesAndRaindrops

Someone mentioned clubs being money laundering places for biker gangs with drugs. You know how people like to tell us the most amazing stories about our clubs. I said (whilst trying not to laugh too much about the drugged up Hell's Angels) that was a definite no. But in the interest of fairness, I then said "on the subject of money laundering/tax evasion, like a lot of cash businesses, strip clubs don't declare a lot of their cash turnover."

The same crowd then decided to jump on this derailing cock and bull that I didn't know the difference between money laundering and tax evasion. Which is both not remotely what I said, or what you would even assume. But then you know that's what they like to do. Any straw to clutch at to make a, how did you put it..."pathetic attempt to discredit". Bang on.

LangCleg · 19/09/2019 19:00

Courtney - let's say I completely credit your absurd purple prose and your £440 an hour. No problem. You loved your job. You were so fulfilled by it that you were practically as orgasmic as the punters and this is why your nostalgia prose is quite so purple. Good for you.

But this thread isn't about you soaring twenty feet in the air having the time of your life or whatever you'd have us believe.

This thread is about a particular establishment, known to be breaking its licensing conditions on a regular basis and opening up its employees to exploitation, illegal acts and coercion. The licensing authority failed in its duty to act. So an undercover sting took place. The evidence of that sting was backed up by witness testimonies from a number of ex-employees of that establishment, confirming these employment conditions had existed over a long period of time.

Tell me: why should I believe you and not them? What about their testimonies is so threatening that you'd expend so much energy trying to distract from the topic at hand? The topic at hand is: how do we prevent dangerous and exploitative conditions for women working in strip clubs if the regulatory framework fails?

RosesAndRaindrops · 19/09/2019 19:02

Well actually try looking up the poster instead of just assuming -(and trying to troll hunt/insinuate strip bot to boot) as you'd find you'd be blatantly in the wrong with regards as she seems to be a regular poster on loads of different topics.

Propertyofhood · 19/09/2019 19:04

Has Courtney actually confirmed it was her the poster was referring to?

I was on that thread, it is the same poster. Let's just say the smell of bullshit was heavy in the air.

LangCleg · 19/09/2019 19:07

Roses - have you acknowledged your error in attributing views and posts to me that I do not hold and did not make? Please confirm.