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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fully male sex offender demands and given access to women's prison under self-id

39 replies

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 13/09/2019 08:43

www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/male-born-transgender-sex-offender-20051834

Limerick prison has 26 women.

Apparently he had a gender id certificate when he was convicted, though presumably as it's self is, they grant them quickly so any convicted rapist can just self certify he's a lady to get into the hen house

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ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 13/09/2019 08:43

self id, even

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HandsOffMyRights · 13/09/2019 08:52

www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/male-born-transgender-sex-offender-20051834

It is understood that the prison has assigned a high level of monitoring and supervision of the inmate in the interests of protecting both her and her fellow detainees.

Bollocks. The women need protecting and the prison knows this.

The Mirror may have to use 'she' but its work around 'male born' used throughout speaks volumes.

I thought male prisoners in Ireland had to be housed in a prison relating to their biological sex?

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 13/09/2019 09:04

Oh, but this never happens Hmm

OvaHere · 13/09/2019 09:13

Of course it never happens. It's not like anyone could have foreseen it either is it? Remind again how Ireland is a shining beacon of self ID.

Bastards.

Angryresister · 13/09/2019 10:37

We should now campaign to abolish the nonsense that is the GRC legal fiction. Not fit for purpose and actively dangerous to women.

Inebriati · 13/09/2019 10:39

I thought there were exceptions in Ireland for places like prisons, and that they would remain single sex?

dolorsit · 13/09/2019 10:44

I also thought that prisons were one of the exceptions under Irish law. Was it changed?

HandsOffMyRights · 13/09/2019 10:48

TEN counts of sexual assault

www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/sex-offender-undergoing-male-female-16623261

HandsOffMyRights · 13/09/2019 10:48

And one count of cruelty against a child,

HandsOffMyRights · 13/09/2019 10:51

Link to MN thread and original article about 'sex beast'.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3644511-Transgender-sex-offender-in-womens-prison-in-Ireland?pg=2

HandsOffMyRights · 13/09/2019 10:53

And just to clarify, the original article states

The person has 10 convictions of sexual assault on a male child over a period of three years and one conviction for cruelty.

pachyderm · 13/09/2019 10:54

Also

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3655875-Irish-feminists-what-the-hell-is-happening-over-there

The story took some weeks to reach the media, but in the meantime, here's the way the usual idiots tried to shut it down.

Datun · 13/09/2019 10:54

It was my understanding that Ireland allowed men into women's prisons as long as they already had a GRC, before they committed the crime.

As far as I remember, only a couple of hundred GRCs have ever been issued in Ireland. So the possibility was remote at best.

Until, of course, it isn't.

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 13/09/2019 11:32

Obvs not, Datun, as he committed these crimes before Grace existed

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ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 13/09/2019 11:33

GRCs

fucking stupid autocorrect

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SarahTancredi · 13/09/2019 11:39
Angry
TruthOnTrial · 13/09/2019 11:51

The Mirror may have to use 'she' but its work around 'male born' used throughout speaks volumes.

Quite refeshed by the correctly identified biology being reported here, needs to be used for such horrific stories, and needs to be the basis of all stats, especially crimes against women & girls stats

Datun · 13/09/2019 12:22

Obvs not, Datun, as he committed these crimes before Grace existed

I think it was to stop people switching gender in prison, in order to get transferred.

So it may have been if they had a GRC before they went to prison, not before they commit the crime.

But yes, obviously self ID would render the thinking behind it completely useless.

Gingerkittykat · 13/09/2019 19:58

Self ID will never be abused, we should accept these brave women without question.

I hope Shirley Anne Somerville takes note of this.

JellySlice · 14/09/2019 08:01

However, she was in possession of a gender recognition certificate by the time her case came before the court last July, and is now being accommodated with other female prisoners.

"by the time"

How convenient.

JellySlice · 14/09/2019 08:08

The person has 10 convictions of sexual assault on a male child over a period of three years and one conviction for cruelty.

Ah, so this person is a risk to males and is at risk of male vengeance. So the way to protect violent males from male violence is in a female prison.

Hmm
TheProdigalKittensReturn · 14/09/2019 08:21

"A sex offender who is currently undergoing a male to female transition has been given a protection detail after being remanded to the Dochas Centre Women's prison in Dublin."

So, to be clear, a convicted sex offender with male genitalia has been placed in a women's prison and the prison authorities believe that it's the sex offender (still with working penis) who needs to be protected from the other inmates? That's certainly an, um, interesting way to view the situation. Not rational or reasonable or even vaguely sensible, but interesting for sure.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 14/09/2019 08:34

Neither surgery or hormone treatment.

Honestly. How ridiculous does this bullshit have to get?

Coolingfan · 14/09/2019 08:35

Maybe these poor male-born transgender individuals could be fast tracked for surgery.

Suddenly decide you are a woman - ok - we've scheduled the removal of you penis and testicles for the day after tomorrow - ok? I think it may clear away some of the dysphoria quick quickly.

Sleepyhead19 · 14/09/2019 08:41

I wholeheartedly disagree with this. We’ve already seen a trans rapist attack women in a women’s jail. It’s putting the women in danger.
There are so many men turning into trans women in prisons for the sole purpose of being around women and the UK allows it. It seems only minorities have rights and everyone else just has to deal with it, regardless of the risk it involves.