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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 4

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BarbaraStrozzi · 13/09/2019 08:33

Thought it was time for another of these. I'll just cut-and-paste the opening of the last thread:

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

This is a continuation of the first Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2

Thread 3 was deleted with this note from MNHQ; We're sure there will be a Bunbury 4 around soon, but we'd be grateful if we could draw a line under the issues raised in this thread if there's to be a new one.

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we’ve had several community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the first posts on thread 2 (linked above) but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/06/2020 18:24

Is that thread current Kittens?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 15/06/2020 18:25

Current ish, it's at almost 40 pages and has petered off a bit. Search "A-response-to-JK-Rowling"

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 15/06/2020 18:26

Funny thing, I realize she's not now but at one point I wondered if Datun might be Rowling. She should take this as a compliment on her good sense and writing skills.

RedDogsBeg · 15/06/2020 18:40

I want a T-shirt with 'Malfunctioning Support Human' on it then maybe I won't be expected to be oneGrin.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 15/06/2020 18:41

Ah, memories of my mum muttering "I am not your bloody chief cook and bottle washer"...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/06/2020 18:45

Thanks Kittens, will check out that thread.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 16/06/2020 09:32

Talking of mums, I wonder how Bunbury would have addressed her DIL about JKR?

VickyEadieofThigh · 16/06/2020 10:04

Talking of mums, I wonder how Bunbury would have addressed her DIL about JKR?

Bunbury was a lesbian, of course, though letters between her and her partner's daughter Rita (Bunbury was secretly in a relationship for many years with unpublished novelist Veronica Lion, whose husband Lennie was a ventriloquist) show that Rita had little to say on identity politics (which were not a thing in them days) and was more concerned with the location of her mother's stuff after she committed suicide by drowning herself in a large trifle:

Dear Germaine

I know you've got my mother's second-best winter coat and I want it back. Also her collection of china cats.

Yours truly

Rita

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 16/06/2020 10:06

Talking of mums, I wonder how Bunbury would have addressed her DIL about JKR

DiL; Germ?
GB: Dragging on gumboots. “Need to sort out the asparagus today. What?”
DiL: “It’s that writer. The one writes the kiddy books. Potter.”
GB: “Never heard of him. Old Tom Potter does the weekly newsletter. Doesn’t write books. Hates kids.”
DiL: “Not Potter. Rowling.”
GB: “That’d be next door’s cat after Fluffy. Old Tom doesn’t have a cat. Used to breed ferrets I believe. Smelly things.”
DiL: “She said ...”
GB: “The cat said? My advice is ease up on the absinthe my girl. After a night out in Paris with Simo and her mates I had a long conversation about the roots of patriarchal oppression with a parking meter.”
DiL: “Not the cat. The writer. She said men can’t become women.”
GB: Reaching for a shovel. “Old Tom told you that? Whatever for? He’s right enough mind. He was a good ferret breeder, won some awards for rabbiting.”
DiL. “NOT Tom. The kiddy book writer. Rowling. Said that sex is real.”
GB: Turns to look at DiL. “You have three children and it’s only just occurred to you that sex is real? Maybe you should have a chat with Tom Potter about where ferrets come from.”
DiL: Desperately. “She critiqued the basis of gender identity politics by grounding her statement in the material reality of a biologically sexed body. She’s a transphobe!”
GB: Opening door. “Don’t be so bloody stupid. You’d do well my girl, to spend more time reading Germaine Greer and less time talking nonsense with the cat. Transphobia is a patriarchal attempt to silence women by denying the material reality of mammalian biology in favour of a form of gender transubstantiation based on an incoherent understanding of the cultural construction of male and female social roles. Fluffy knows that very well, she was just winding you up. Now I must be off, the asparagus is not going to fix itself.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 16/06/2020 10:09

VickyEadieofThigh

GrinGrinGrinWine

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 16/06/2020 10:23

Brilliant, both of you. 🍷

VickyEadieofThigh · 16/06/2020 10:25

DancelikeEmmaGoldman

Right back atcha!

CaraDune · 16/06/2020 11:06

Dancelike and Vicky this is why I love FWR.

Absinthe fuelled conversations with parking meters, ferret breeding as a way into understanding biology and unfortunate incidents with trifle!

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 16/06/2020 11:15

Grin to Germaine and her ferret breeding know-how.

I wondered about the most batshit of all batshit letters posted, with no source?

PurpleHoodie · 16/06/2020 11:21
Grin I'll have what they're having.
Cascade220 · 16/06/2020 11:22

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Datun · 16/06/2020 11:49

Funny thing, I realize she's not now but at one point I wondered if Datun might be Rowling. She should take this as a compliment on her good sense and writing skills.

Fucking A! Thank yewww. And DickKerr. Blush

Datun · 16/06/2020 11:50

DancelikeEmmaGoldman

That's brilliant. Absolutely fantastic. I want to go and help her with her asparagus

VickyEadieofThigh · 16/06/2020 14:31

Highly suspicious new thread wanting "advice"...

Thelnebriati · 16/06/2020 14:38

Yes, agree about that.
TRA's are asking allies to shill for them on social media, its interesting that they think they can't be seen doing it because they stick out like a sore thumb.

WhatTiggersDoBest · 16/06/2020 14:43

Sorry if that's my thread from yesterday, I just really seriously needed to vent. I can PM someone my Twitter handle if they want to check if I'm here in good faith, as long as it doesn't get used for a TRA pile-on. My first pro-Rowling post on Twitter was about a week ago.

NewAccountForCorona · 16/06/2020 16:17

The funny thing about all these new threads and new faux-naive posters is that they are radicalising women all over MN atm.

A couple of years ago these threads had loads of lurkers saying "don't be meeeeeaaaaan", now they are full of new names saying "wtf", "I didn't know that" and "tell me more".

It's wonderful to see they eyes opening in real time.

Thelnebriati · 16/06/2020 16:30

No WhatTiggersDoBest its not you!

VickyEadieofThigh · 16/06/2020 17:25

Someone has evoked Bunbury on the actual thread and I've done so as well - really, it seems obvious to me it's a fishing exercise.

VickyEadieofThigh · 16/06/2020 17:31

*INvoked!

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