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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 4

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BarbaraStrozzi · 13/09/2019 08:33

Thought it was time for another of these. I'll just cut-and-paste the opening of the last thread:

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

This is a continuation of the first Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2

Thread 3 was deleted with this note from MNHQ; We're sure there will be a Bunbury 4 around soon, but we'd be grateful if we could draw a line under the issues raised in this thread if there's to be a new one.

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we’ve had several community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the first posts on thread 2 (linked above) but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

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Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 14/06/2020 15:20

Funnily enough I just came to check this thread was bumped....

Cascade220 · 14/06/2020 15:27

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ClosdesMouches · 14/06/2020 16:00

Nobody would be looking for screenshots on a lovely Sunday afternoon, surely?

OvaHere · 14/06/2020 16:07

Big up to the rudefems who have trodden this path many, many times before.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 14/06/2020 16:13

Might just hang out on this thread today.

Datun · 14/06/2020 16:18

@SpartacusAutisticus

I post for the deletion messages
Cant be arsed to engage. Can you post the deletion message here tho?

It's more the message it sends to the naive engagers that I'm interested in.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 14/06/2020 16:20

They're so transparent.

Amusingly someone else has been on talking about c*s privilege. I laughed. My first post in FWR was about the same subject in about 2011. Today's poster is getting off lightly.

VickyEadieofThigh · 14/06/2020 16:27

And along trotted too many people, offering up the fish in a barrel to be shot.

Cue "You're all just mean, that proves it" - and not even from the OP.

When will FWR learn?

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 14/06/2020 16:31

SpartacusAutisticus Grin I always forget then get annoyed after!

I’ve post now because the AIBU comment was just too funny to ignore Grin

VickyEadieofThigh · 14/06/2020 16:34

Classic community disruption pathology:

Introductory post on 'Feminism chat' inviting questions by person claiming to be TW and "feminist".

Questions from FWR people despite classic pathology.

Disappearance of OP.

Accusations of meanness by bad actors.

Pertella · 14/06/2020 17:13

Do they not realise that changing their name doesn't mean we dont know who they were previously?

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 14/06/2020 17:41

Posters are being accused of being passively aggressive for asking questions.

Huh. Today I identify as not passive aggressive.

Pertella · 14/06/2020 17:55

They just seem to come on, tell people off for not being nice and going off topic whilst not even bothering to contribute to the topic themselves and then fling about the types of accusations the TRAs use to get advertisers to pull their adverts.

They are actively helping to get MN closed down and I'm not sure why its tolerated tbh

NeurotrashWarrior · 14/06/2020 18:07

Gosh I feel like I'm visiting a place from my youth. It's been a while.

Datun · 14/06/2020 18:33

Oops I was meant to be sitting on my hands

ThePurported · 14/06/2020 18:39

I've been away for a while, it was both reassuring and depressing to see Bunbury at the top Wine

bishopgiggles · 14/06/2020 18:42

Missed it, I think.. what happened?
The thread I was engaging in yesterday wasn't a classic of the genre - long posting history on other subjects and hardly any on FWR. I feel a bit sorry for them. Didn't stop it being a waste of time though.

bishopgiggles · 14/06/2020 18:48

Oh think I've spotted it. Goodness, yet another person who types "women" instead of "woman"! I blame the keyboards.

CaraDune · 14/06/2020 18:54

I'm currently re-reading one of Bunbury's lesser known but still insightful works: "Every day is groundhog day: how the same poor arguments (and their even poorer advocates) and obvious baiting/fishing techniques resurface with the frequency of an unflushable turd."

First published 1963, or was it 1964?

boatyardblues · 14/06/2020 19:10

I knew you lot would have clocked it.

VickyEadieofThigh · 14/06/2020 20:25

Bloody well told you. And still people are discussing it as if it was on good faith.

It never is.

TinselAngel · 14/06/2020 20:34

Gosh, we are all meanies.

VickyEadieofThigh · 14/06/2020 20:39

I left a Twitter thread earlier because a TRA insisted that women refusing to let TW into girls' and women's spaces would make them commit suicide.

I'm sick to death of the moral blackmail. I'm sick to death of men insisting that it's our responsibility to shove up and allow any male who wants to into our spaces. I'm sick of being expected to listen to their demands, then being abused and threatened in the most unpleasant of ways when I demur.

Males are a threat to women and girls. Their behaviour in this debate makes that massively more clear than ever.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 14/06/2020 20:53

That thread is attracting new posters to tell us we're mean and our children would be ashamed of us.

Who could have foreseen that happening?

VickyEadieofThigh · 14/06/2020 20:56

I know, right? I've never seen or heard such accusations levelled at women before.

WHY can't we just let the men have and do what they want?