Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 4

[BarbaraStrozzi]

Thought it was time for another of these. I'll just cut-and-paste the opening of the last thread:

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

This is a continuation of the first Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2

Thread 3 was deleted with this note from MNHQ; We're sure there will be a Bunbury 4 around soon, but we'd be grateful if we could draw a line under the issues raised in this thread if there's to be a new one.

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we’ve had several community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the first posts on thread 2 (linked above) but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

How on earth can they justify opposition to safeguarding, here on a parenting website?

How on earth can they justify opposition to safeguarding

I think the response to that will be that FWR is being unkind and aggressive by assuming that interpretation.

The statement made could seem to refer to the desirability of FWR posters allowing pro-gender, anti womens' rights posters to come into this space and make their anti-women arguments while we listen politely.

Which is still terrible.

If the whole Lang issue brings safeguarding into mainstream MN conversations this can only be a good thing.
People need to be informed.
Women need to be informed.

Thanks janes. I've just seen your thread and am reading it now.

I highly doubt there are many pro-trans, pro-gender discussion spaces that openly insist the opinions of feminists be heard

Or in fact invite feminist non-members to report their users for 'wrong think'

Justines last comment really worries me and knowing we are going to have it quoted at us as nauseam is already making me tired.

Also, I hereby give permission to any feminist person here to metaphorically clonk me on the head when I get overwhelmed with niceness and patience and engage with GF's.

I'd just like to recognise that your arguments on that thread were superlative, and served to highlight the disparity of content.

Double standards are both tiring and triggering.

I don't care it's Mumsnet, I have no shame, I'm sending love and hugs to the lot of you.

It gets easier and easier to ignore people, I have found. Especially if you don't actually read the post.

That way, we can just get on with discussing the issues in hand. Which I'm sure will get very tedious for those who aren't interested in them.

I promise you, you will miss absolutely nothing of any substance at all.

It's even better when you ignore an attempt to drag you into a discussion about a post in the past, when you haven't read that post either. 😄

OK reminder to self -

Be more Datun.

Learn to ignore scroll.

Do not be tempted by the time vampires.

Don't and post

I was reminded of this quote today.
"Sometimes people use “respect” to mean “treating someone like a person” and sometimes they use “respect” to mean “treating someone like an authority”

and sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say “if you won’t respect me I won’t respect you” and they mean “if you won’t treat me like an authority I won’t treat you like a person”

and they think they’re being fair but they aren’t, and it’s not okay."

“if you won’t respect me I won’t respect you” and they mean “if you won’t treat me like an authority I won’t treat you like a person”

The implicit power asymmetry and sense of entitlement to deference is strong. And, yes, that does feel like fairness to them.

Yes, and they use words like “abusive” or “vitriolic” to describe women who simply... decline to affirm their identity.

They feel so entitled to affirmation, that it’s absence feels like abuse to them.

Phew, all caught up.

So, generalisations are very bad (even when they aren't actually generalisations), unless they're aimed at women on FWR then it's ok because we're all a mean, transphobic hive mind anyway?

Have I got that right?

I think you've nailed it.

Nobody's going for a number 3 then?

My kids would've loved that as a concept...

Vomiting?

That's an excellent summation, Dick

It gets easier and easier to ignore people, I have found. Especially if you don't actually read the post.

Yes! I am scrolling past certain posters automatically now.

I am scrolling past certain posters automatically now.

Best advice ever; life's too short, right?

Am going to really try this.

Yes! I am scrolling past certain posters automatically now.

That’ll ensure you only read opinions you agree with.
#nodebate

Some of the posts I scroll past are totally incorrect, but obviously they know that and don't need anyone to waste time explaining it, so this really is a great time-saving measure!

That’ll ensure you only read opinions you agree with

No it won’t

Vomiting?

Noro Virus?

The ones I disagree with are my favorites because a discussion of Feminism breaks out on FWR in the midst of a game of silly buggers.

Honestly at this point there are some people whose posts basically play as "blah blah, I hate it when women don't do what they're told and I'm going to have a strop about it" in my head every time I bother to read them, so I mostly don't bother any more. Occasionally I do read a comment just to say if there's any actual content but nope.