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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 4

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BarbaraStrozzi · 13/09/2019 08:33

Thought it was time for another of these. I'll just cut-and-paste the opening of the last thread:

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

This is a continuation of the first Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2

Thread 3 was deleted with this note from MNHQ; We're sure there will be a Bunbury 4 around soon, but we'd be grateful if we could draw a line under the issues raised in this thread if there's to be a new one.

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we’ve had several community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the first posts on thread 2 (linked above) but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 15/12/2019 15:21

None! Being a lesbian is like having a magic forcefield that you carry around with you, apparently. Repels everything other than nasty women's opinions about gender, which are sort of like kryptonite but shriller and more evil.

BeyondVotesForFlube · 15/12/2019 15:42

Helloo. I've never posted on a bunbury thread (that I remember), so yeah, here I am.

Doyoumind · 20/12/2019 23:52

Feels like it's going to be a busy weekend.

nauticant · 20/12/2019 23:59

There have been some bold efforts on on the JKR thread in AIBU. Outright lies slurring Maya Forstater that were lapped up.

Creepster · 21/12/2019 00:07

Criminy! Somebody tell me to go take a shower and go to bed before I rage post at the "new trans mum" who has come to AIBU for affirmation of how great it is to pressure your children into calling their father their mum.

Doyoumind · 21/12/2019 00:09

I don't know why I've allowed myself to be drawn in. I know better.

nauticant · 21/12/2019 00:17

Watching someone grooming others in real time is profoundly unpleasant.

NotTerfNorCis · 21/12/2019 00:26

Well at least 'to agree with JK Rowling' is running at 94% 'you are not being unreasonable'. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3773324-To-agree-with-JK-Rowling

TinselAngel · 21/12/2019 00:30

Criminy! Somebody tell me to go take a shower and go to bed before I rage post at the "new trans mum" who has come to AIBU for affirmation of how great it is to pressure your children into calling their father their mum.

I must not look at that, lest I lose my whole weekend. Thanks for the warning.

TinselAngel · 21/12/2019 00:36

OK I looked, and now I've hidden it.

Ibloodylovewomen · 21/12/2019 00:37

Yep, best not to look Envy (not envy)! Enjoy your weekend instead!

socialworker222 · 21/12/2019 07:46

I'll take this one for the team Tinsel. It's a middle-aged 'girl' who 'struggles' with her ex not liking her calling herself - and asking the kids to call her - 'Mum'.... Ripe for screenshotting. Not going down well, bit of a bunfight. Nuff said.

OhHolyJesus · 21/12/2019 08:00

The sharing a room with a TW was also weird, I haven't seen Limpbiscuit post for ages. I'm just reading the Trans Girl Mum thread now and as usual the women have it under control. It's always the weekend when these threads appear...

nauticant · 21/12/2019 08:15

I'm reading it but not posting. Lots of negative posts (the JKR effect is still going on) but some like this:

Also not sure why there’s so much shock at the possibility of kids calling two people “mum”- it’s not uncommon amongst lesbian couples who have kids

Still, the OP will have plenty to screenshot and strikes will have been picked up by some posters.

BarbaraStrozzi · 21/12/2019 08:30

Yup, that AIBU thread has "narcissistic supply", "screenshot fishing", and "provoke posters into getting strikes" written all over it. Poor transwidow and poor kids - imagine having to put up with that person in RL.

However it's times like these I rather like the new voting buttons: 84% YABU!

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EndoplasmicReticulum · 21/12/2019 08:37

Do strikes apply on Aibu? I thought it was just fwr that had the special rules. Some Aibu posters who weren't aware of them might be a bit surprised if so.

nauticant · 21/12/2019 08:45

Overall the posting on that thread seemed to be far more aware of the problematic aspects of gender identity ideology and less inclined to be cool girls than would have been the case a couple of years back.

TinselAngel · 21/12/2019 10:11

I've reported it. Is it taking it too personally to suspect it's a deliberate dig at/ attempt to get trans widows banned?

Clymene · 21/12/2019 10:19

I don't honestly know @TinselAngel - but the mask has dropped now so I'd hide it.

ThanksThanks

LangCleg · 21/12/2019 10:22

I went 17 pages thinking "Must. Not. Post." Then broke. Fuck it!

nauticant · 21/12/2019 10:48

Good point EndoplasmicReticulum. It seems the FWR rules can apply anywhere.

Will FWR be the only area of the boards where we have a three strikes system?
We haven't had to formalise this elsewhere, but in practice, three deletions would usually lead to a suspension elsewhere on site.

BarbaraStrozzi · 21/12/2019 10:51

But it was a good post, Lang.

Anyway, the mask has well and truly slipped - "screeching bigots". And "AGP has been debunked... they're called 'female embodiment fantasies' now." Oh deary me.

I repeat - I feel so sorry for that poster's transwidow and children.

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 21/12/2019 11:33

It's quite possible that the whole persona was made up. So there may not actually be a transwidow and children.

All disappeared in a puff of smoke now, anyway. But not before revealing the overall sympathies of Mumsnet appear to be (unsuprisingly) with the mother and children - real or hypothetical.

Datun · 21/12/2019 11:35

Those threads are very useful. It never takes very long.

Clymene · 21/12/2019 11:38

I like to do a little countdown before the narc rage begins. One, two, three ... BOOM