Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A Woman's Place is at Conference 23 September 2019 Brighton

326 replies

stumbledin · 09/09/2019 19:52

(At one point it says it is for Labour Party Conference delegates and later on it says it is a public meeting.)

A Woman’s Place is at Conference
Public Meeting in Brighton
Monday 23 September 2019 (Venue to be announced)
Doors open at 6:30pm, for 7.00pm start.

Woman's Place UK (WPUK) invites Labour Party Conference delegates to hear speakers discuss the WPUK Manifesto, focusing on women's issues. Half the tickets are available for FREE to Labour Party members.

Speaker biographies:
Dani Ahrens Founding member of Brighton Pride, a lifelong Labour activist, tweets as @rebelyarns
Onjali Rauf Founder and CEO of 'Making Herstory'
Kay Green "Socialist policy must always be based on reality." Kay Green is a socialist activist, supporting gender-critical voices on the political left.
Kiri Tunks Woman's Place UK founder (Chair)

Woman’s Place UK was founded in September 2017 to ensure women’s voices would be heard in the consultation on proposals to change the Gender Recognition Act. We had 5 demands and we didn’t expect the campaign to last more than 3-4 months.

Thanks to the support and actions of thousands of people all over the UK we had a big collective impact on the debate and, while we don’t expect to hear the results of the consultation yet, we know that the government has heard the voices of thousands of women.

At the same time, the debate has exposed the poor state of women’s rights in the UK. We have decided therefore to develop a broader campaign on the foundations we have built.

We will keep up the pressure on the government around the GRA and on councils and organisations to uphold equality law.

But there are other battles we need to fight too.

So we have made some New Year Resolutions to help us broaden the campaign in 2019:

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-at-conference-tickets-71716155953

OP posts:
Thread gallery
26
youkiddingme · 24/09/2019 17:54

I hope Faircop are using the phrase 'hate crime' not only because it reflects that hatred that was evident in that so called protest, but because doing so also points a spot-light on the glaring hole in hate-crime legislation.

Ereshkigal · 24/09/2019 18:01

And when Shana went to the police about him several times, they only action they took was against her. She was fined £90.

There was recently an inquiry into this action. The attitude of the police officer who fined her was utterly enraging. No respect for the fact that she had been murdered due in part to their actions.

stumbledin · 24/09/2019 18:47

Sussex police are now asking for anyone who wants to report any crime witnessed ...

We've received complaints around the #WPUK protest in #Brighton that have been passed to an investigation team to assess if any actions amount to criminality and if they should be recorded as hate crimes. If you wish to report a crime you may do so at socsi.in/0kAkW .

On twitter twitter.com/sussex_police/status/1176532461590908928?s=21&

Not sure how if you are not on twitter you would ever find out about this!

OP posts:
stumbledin · 24/09/2019 18:49

Report from local paper with quite positive comments www.theargus.co.uk/news/17923150.hundreds-protesters-picket-womens-rights-meeting-hours/

I saw a comment somewhere that apparently someone from the platform at Labour Party Conference called WPUK a hate group.

OP posts:
GirlDownUnder · 24/09/2019 18:53

And when Shana went to the police about him several times, they only action they took was against her. She was fined £90.

Women dying - wall paper.

Trans women dying - call the police.

At day’s end either all life is precious or none is.

Trans women heed this - the ‘system’ will catch up, and you’ll be tomorrow’s wall paper.

NB - MNHQ not a threat, not a prediction, just a pattern noticed. Appreciate not being censored deleted

OrchidInTheSun · 24/09/2019 18:57

The police won't do anything. The protesters were - at the very least - causing a public nuisance, and could have caused criminal damage. If the police were going to do anything to them, they would have dispersed them last night.

But they think harassing women for wrong-think is completely fine.

Since the GRA consultation kicked off, the police have not only tried to prosecute women for wrong think on twitter and evict us from meetings but have not pursued people for intimidation in Bristol, defacing a listed building in Plymouth or making a bomb threat in Hastings.

The fact is that the police simply don't care about women and protecting their transitioned colleagues is way more important than allowing us to meet and talk peaceably.

This is not confined to W Sussex police - they are all the same.

NotTerfNorCis · 24/09/2019 19:00

Almost all the comments on the Argus article are sympathetic to the feminists. This is how the majority of people feel.

stumbledin · 24/09/2019 19:25

Posie Parker has posted these clips from the Labour Party showing speeches against WPUK. Not sure on what basis these people were allowed to speak. And / or whether those who make these decisions stopped supportive speakers from access to the mike.

(Not sure why it is necessary to tell us how to think about the clips with autocue hints as though we might not react correctly)

OP posts:
AnyOldPrion · 24/09/2019 19:26

We’ve received complaints around the #WPUK protest in #Brighton that have been passed to an investigation team to assess if any actions amount to criminality and if they should be recorded as hate crimes.

Well reporting it after the event, with no way of identifying those who were behaving in a criminal manner is utterly pointless. There were police witnesses there, who presumably saw nothing wrong. Had they done something when the criminal activity was occurring, they might have usefully demonstrated that intimidation was unacceptable.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/09/2019 19:34

It’s almost as if something is stopping the police from doing their job (or giving a shit?)

SunsetBeetch · 24/09/2019 20:06

Natacha Kennedy accusing WPUK of violence! TRAs will straight up lie even when there is video evidence.

A Woman's Place is at Conference 23 September 2019 Brighton
LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/09/2019 20:32

There’s more than one person in there you know (didn't they write a co authored piece of work - that was just them... and their other name?) so o wouldn’t credit it.

CrazyToast · 24/09/2019 20:54

Definitely intimidation but what about attempted damage to property? They could've cracked them windows. Police shouldve stopped it. If it was my venue I would complain about that. And if a window had gone through and a protester was cut? So irresponsible.

lionheart · 24/09/2019 21:00

And here:

lionheart · 24/09/2019 21:04

Sorry stumbledin x posted.

VinandVigour · 24/09/2019 21:09

Glad you got home ok SunsetBeetch. It was a pleasure to help you both. We quickly found our way back to the car.

The letter writing will begin in earnest tomorrow. I am becoming one of ‘those’ people, and may start writing in (purple and ) green ink, just to emphasise it.

OrchidInTheSun · 24/09/2019 21:10

Well we know Kennedy is a big fat liar. Authoring papers using both that and the 'dead name' to make it look as though they have two brains rather than one is a clear demonstration that Kennedy isn't afraid of stretching the truth if it serves a purpose.

NeurotrashWarrior · 24/09/2019 21:10

Bloody hell

ChattyLion · 24/09/2019 21:46

DARVO

SunsetBeetch · 24/09/2019 21:47

Oh sorry VinandVigour that wasn't me. Keep forgetting to out quote marks around tweets I copy. Lovely that the lady had your help - it must have been a scary experience.

Michelleoftheresistance · 24/09/2019 22:03

The TRA lobby responses.... a real demo of 'if you didn't provoke me I wouldn't have to hurt you' thinking, with total lack of awareness that women have had that particular t shirt for centuries. And apparently no one foresaw that this would be appalling PR.

Will be interesting watching the police try and dig themselves out of this one, because it's on camera and they're bang to rights. Political policing, and women apparently are not entitled to equal protection of the law. I want my taxes back please. No taxation without representation.

WomanBornNotWorn · 25/09/2019 00:45

Re the late change of venue - we were told that the original booked venue had pulled out and cancelled very late. WPUK know this is likely to happen - and now books and pays for several venues, in case. So they simply switched to venue B.

The shrieking megaphone woman has identified herself on Twitter.

The majority of the voices were female. The photos & videos do seem to show a mixed group, though.

One photo shows a line of police officers in front of the windows - this happened very late in the process, but would account for most of the banging having stopped at the very end. We could not see out because of the blinds.

I see the police are getting a lot of scorn online for the general handling, evidenced by the videos.

I have submitted my complaint.

I have never been so scared for my safety in my life.

ChattyLion · 25/09/2019 06:45

Woman I am really sorry that happened to you (just for attending a public meeting, FFS), that is awful. Flowers

I think it’s important given there is so much video evidence for us all to try to make this event a line in the sand in terms of national policing and public debate about freedom of speech, debate, free assembly, public safety against authoritarian politics etc though. This is a completely one sided aggression. Has always been so.

Nothing was done to protect women in 2018 at Bristol jam jar venue either when masked protesters trapped them on a staircase.

Things must not be allowed to escalate like this.

This Brighton/Labour conference WPUK meeting needs discussion by Parliament to raise this national scandal with police and raise Parliamentary political understanding of what is happening, but also we needn’t to be raising it at the highest levels of policing nationally.

This describes the local complaint system via the relevant police force and what can be done at independent national level if it isn’t resolved satisfactorily: www.policeconduct.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Documents/Complaint_forms/A_guide_to_the_system.pdf
Hopefully WPUK are complaining, I don’t know about that, but individuals can too. Don’t forget to mention the protected characteristic of your sex in your complaint, and any others that you may have.

Also, fuck it, can WPUK and any individuals who want to please write to Liberty and any other groups that claim to protect free speech and free assembly and ask them to take campaigning action on this?

Yes they have jumped the TRA gender politics shark and won’t accept what a woman is, but these organisations can’t maintain a public facade of being on the side of justice and freedom (and also keep their charitable status for the purpose of public benefit, if they are a charity)... and also at the same time: pick and choose on the basis of agreeing with genderist politics or not, which cases of abuse against freedom of speech, free thought, free assembly, etc are going to be defended by them and which other cases of abuse against those things are just fine to be left completely undefended by the state or the third sector.

It’s completely unacceptable that policy/regulatory capture leaves women and children undefended by our national institutions especially when we fund a lot of these through our taxes. These are ours just as much as anyone elses’.

Women should not have to try to reinvent all of our national institutions because they have decided to go for misogynistic gender politics, and neither is that feasible as a tactic if women want to see change in our own or our grandkids’ lifetimes.

The law is still on our side and knows what a woman is, self ID is not yet here completely, so while we retain those protections let’s try to get the institutions that we have, to do what they are there for.

I will be writing to my MP who is Labour to ask them to condemn this attack on women’s free speech assembly and to ask my MP to write with their concerns to:

the Minister of State for Crime, Policing and the Fire Service, who is Kit Malthouse MP whose brief includes police training and resourcing

Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Crime, Safeguarding, and Vulnerability who is Victoria Atkins MP whose brief includes VAWG and crime prevention.

Also The Baroness (Susan) Williams of Trafford, Minister of State for Countering Extremism, and Minister of State for Equalities, whose brief covers hate crime (important that the Lords are aware of these issues too).

And finally copying in Priti Patel, the Secretary of State at the Home Office who
Has overall responsibility for all of these areas.

You can find out more about their responsibilities here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Office

Some people may not agree with this but I’m also going to mention the widespread acknowledgment that police funding has plummeted with inevitable consequences for training and resourcing and that these cuts need to be reversed for public safety:

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmhaff/515/515.pdf

Angryresister · 25/09/2019 07:51

Appalled by the violence which appears to have been encouraged and endorsed by members of Labour momentum. The cheers for woman hating in the videos of the Labour conference were frightening. Thank you to the man object, who was jeered by the rest. More women I'll leave labour having seen this spectacle I imagine

Swipe left for the next trending thread