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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girls wearing skirts not allowed into school - could only be Brighton

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Kit19 · 06/09/2019 15:59

www.theargus.co.uk/news/17886600.lewes-priory-gender-neutral-uniform-protest/

Apparently “gender neutral” means trousers aka the male default. This is utterly insane. I mean I wouldn’t have minded the choice of trousers or skirts for either sex but only trousers?

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DecomposingComposers · 09/09/2019 20:08

We would like a definitive as opposed to not picky "oh look arent I clever answer"

How much more definitive than They should have the same number of choices.. Would you like?

DecomposingComposers · 09/09/2019 20:13

SarahTancredi

Because contraception is more important and has far more implications than deciding on how many clothing options played at Wimbledon have.

Plus, currently girls at school have 2 clothing options, Wimbledon players have 1 option. I'm not suggesting taking the number of options away.

You're question about contraception would involve reducing the number of options currently available. I'm not being inconsistent, don't worry.

SarahTancredi · 09/09/2019 20:14

So if its men getting laid then screw equality right.

Got it...

DecomposingComposers · 09/09/2019 20:15

Now I've answered several of your questions can someone please explain to me what happens to the yoga skirt during inversions or, if wearing the very tight fitted option how you do splits, happy baby, pigeon pose and the like?

MargueritaBlue · 09/09/2019 20:15

Do you have comprehension difficulties?

Yes I'm really thick

Men - shorts
Women - shorts

Please show me how that's 2 choices for women and 1 for men?

Because, women wear skirts at Wimbledon. Women don't have the choice of wearing shorts at Wimbledon. You know that perfectly well.

No one, not even you, suggested banning skirts and replacing them with shorts.

So for your scenario to work shorts would have to be banned at Wimbledon. No one mentioned that.

You didn't mention you would only permit shorts instead of rather than as well as skirts. Perhaps you should be more clear?

DecomposingComposers · 09/09/2019 20:18

So if its men getting laid then screw equality right.

What??!!! What are you talking about?

Women benefit from contraception right? As in controlling their own fertility? Wtf are you talking about? So women having contraceptive options only benefits men getting laid?

Again, you are so quick to need to jump on me that you are making yourself look foolish

Tyrotoxicity · 09/09/2019 20:18

Decomposing you're saying men's preferences should determine women's choices.

Can I just check, are you actually claiming to be a feminist? Because that is the very opposite of feminism.

MargueritaBlue · 09/09/2019 20:19

Re inversions Why don't you ask this woman Decomposing or any female ballet or modern dancer?

DecomposingComposers · 09/09/2019 20:20

No one, not even you, suggested banning skirts and replacing them with shorts.

I was asked if I supported women wearing shorts at Wimbledon. I said yes, men and women can wear shorts. I didn't say give women the choice between skirts and shorts.

MargueritaBlue · 09/09/2019 20:20

Again, you are so quick to need to jump on me that you are making yourself look foolish

I can assure you SarahTancredi isn't the one looking foolish.

DecomposingComposers · 09/09/2019 20:21

MargueritaBlue

Cool. Where's her skirt?

DecomposingComposers · 09/09/2019 20:22

I can assure you SarahTancredi isn't the one looking foolish.

No, following your picture, in answer to my question what happens to the yoga skirt during inversions.. someone else is looking foolish too.

DecomposingComposers · 09/09/2019 20:23

Decomposing you're saying men's preferences should determine women's choices.

I have literally no idea what you are talking about.

MargueritaBlue · 09/09/2019 20:25

Cool. Where's her skirt?

Are you a bit slow on the uptake? You were terribly worried that a skirt and knickers would "display her undercarriage". Yet she is happy to rely on just knickers.

I had assumed you had sufficient intelligence to work that out for yourself. Apologies if I over- estimated it.

DecomposingComposers · 09/09/2019 20:29

Have another read of my question

Now I've answered several of your questions can someone please explain to me what happens to the yoga skirt during inversions or, if wearing the very tight fitted option how you do splits, happy baby, pigeon pose and the like?

Specifically ask please explain to me what happens to the yoga skirt during inversions

I asked the same question on the previous page too.

My comment about knickers was in relation to downward facing dog and happy baby pose (as I said in the relevant post). The mention about inversions was in asking what happens to the skirt during those poses

MargueritaBlue · 09/09/2019 20:33

Decomposing you're saying men's preferences should determine women's choices

I have literally no idea what you are talking about

It's exactly what you have been saying for page after page.

Your only argument against allowing all children the option of shorts, skirts or trousers is that no boy would choose a skirt. Ergo male preference, the disinclination of wearing a skirt , is the deciding factor that girls can only have 2 choices , ergo girls should not be permitted to wear shorts.

You don't appear to understand your own argument.

SarahTancredi · 09/09/2019 20:33

Of course women benefit from contraception. However it comes at very often a great personal cost. A cost men dont have to pay. They carry the burden of all the side effects and the failures and it's all on the women to deal with that.

The men also reserve the right to walk away at any point and leave the woman to deal with the consequences should that contraception not work. And if the woman is the one who was taking it or having it implanted or whatever , the man gets to say she messed up and no one ever believes the women when she says she was on the pill.

So is this even remotely even? No. And men get alot more benefit from contraception than you might think

DecomposingComposers · 09/09/2019 20:34

For the absence of doubt my other reference to inversions

Do you do yoga? You are being entirely ridiculous. What happens when you do an inversion? Where does the skirt end up?

And I don't fancy being behind someone doing a downward facing dog with their undercarriage on full display or in front of someone doing the happy baby pose with everything on show.

Maybe you can stop being quite so insulting now MargueritaBlue? You are really embarrassing yourself

Fraggling · 09/09/2019 20:36

I'm sure Martina wore shorts at Wimbledon, or am I imagining that?

Maybe she should have her titles stripped :(

Actually, as a lesbian, she needs no contraception. How the fuck is THAT fair.

I'm outraged.

DecomposingComposers · 09/09/2019 20:36

You don't appear to understand your own argument.

Oh MargueritaBlue. It appears that the person with a difficulty in understanding is you.

Just ignoring the fact that you were so woefully wrong about my questions re inversions and yoga skirts are you?

DecomposingComposers · 09/09/2019 20:39

Of course women benefit from contraception. However it comes at very often a great personal cost. A cost men dont have to pay. They carry the burden of all the side effects and the failures and it's all on the women to deal with that.

Risk Vs benefits of contraception over pregnancy shows that contraception is safer than pregnancy. But you know what? If you don't want the risks of contraception don't use it. We have a choice. How good is that?

Fraggling · 09/09/2019 20:39

OH MY FUCK

www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/aboutwimbledon/clothing_and_equipment.html

Wimbledon has unisex dress code including skirt, shorts, tracksuits.

Wtf?

Decomposing, feels like you need to get bang on this enormous, highly visible, affront to male equality.

Good luck.

Tyrotoxicity · 09/09/2019 20:41

If we break this down into atom-sized chunks will it go in?

For some women the current skirt rule at Wimbledon is fine; for some women it is not. We COULD allow women a choice between skirts and shorts to accommodate both subsets of women.

But you personally, Decomposing, say we should NOT allow women this choice because men don't want it.

Your position here is: if men are generally happy with one-option-only, then women must make do with one-option-only, regardless of consequence.

Maintaining the current status quo re: number-of-options is fine by you when it suits men; not fine by you when it doesn't suit men; and women's needs don't seem to factor in at all.

That's pretty damned sexist of you.

CharlieParley · 09/09/2019 20:42

Not that it matters, clearly, but I've been doing Yoga for nearly 30 years. In that time I have worn all sorts of clothing, including beachwear, leotards, nighties, PJs (not joking) and skirts, short and long, as have various teachers I've had over the years.

In my most body-conscious years I vastly preferred hiding under a wide flowing skirt than clingy leggings. Haven't ever done the tights/leggings under a skirt though as I get too hot and I prefer for certain poses to put my bare foot on a bare thigh or calf. Leggings don't move enough for that that's why I often wear flowing Yoga pants.

I did gymnastics at school for eight years so pretzeling my body into poses while wearing just knickers (alas, these days they are sadly of the sturdier kind) was never an issue during my body-confident years.

And anyone busty who does Yoga regularly knows it's not the skirt you worry about in upside down poses but what happens with what you wear up top. My favourite lose t-shirt, loose trouser combo is definitely not suitable for mixed-sex classes, that's for sure.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/09/2019 20:45

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