Girls wearing skirts not allowed into school - could only be Brighton

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www.theargus.co.uk/news/17886600.lewes-priory-gender-neutral-uniform-protest/

Apparently “gender neutral” means trousers aka the male default. This is utterly insane. I mean I wouldn’t have minded the choice of trousers or skirts for either sex but only trousers?

Men can only wear trousers. It isn't right

No, it isn't; but you don't constrain girls choice because masculine society is still so repressed in this regard. You can't blame women and girls for the social and cultural rules under which they live.

Why are people arguing that the same number of choices = equality? Its a strawman, its a fake version of equality

"People" aren't arguing that. One poster is.

No one can see up your trousers can they?

But male genitals and everyone's bottom is far more visible in trousers.
Men seem always to be re-arranging their genitals when wearing trousers......it can't be that comfortable.

If they want the uniform to be gender neutral then allow the boys to wear skirts. Why should the girls lose their uniform to please a handful of trans students. Same thing with the toilets. Why the fuck is their safety put at risk to please men.

So why are we clinging to skirts?

Skirts are a clothing choice that some people like to take up or prefer. There are many countries and cultures around the world in which fabric wrapped around waist of body is perfectly normal and accepted for men. Trousers are really a quite recent western invention.

Has anyone suggested a choice of skirt, trousers or shorts for everyone? gri

Yes, multiple times.

Why are people arguing that the same number of choices = equality? Its a strawman, its a fake version of equality

On the whole most people are not, but Decomposing seems insistent that there should be the exact same number of choices for boys and girls - but refuses to accept the skirt as a choice for boys.

“Has anyone suggested a choice of skirt, trousers or shorts for everyone? gri

Yes, multiple times”
Yeah, I know- mostly me! Sorry, I was being a smart arse.

Why exactly was this decision made. If stonewall was recommending I would have thought they would have advised the school to let boys wear skirts... and girls can just go to hell.

But I’m conscious that a thread about girls has turned into WATB
Yes indeed, this thread ought to be pinned - it’s a master class in how everything has to be about men and boys. Thanks all for getting it back on track.

I do take the point about freedom of movement but - and I know I’m repeating myself but it was many pages ago - my sympathies are mostly with teenage girls trying to get to grips with sudden heavy periods in a mixed school. Just because not everyone has them doesn’t mean they’re not an issue - and it’s something only females can experience. In a skirt, heavy pads and leaking tend to be less exposed. This is why I will never support removing the choice.

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Bertrand

On a serious note though, that does seem to solve this tempest 👍

I also think skirts are easier for periods and please choose a dark fabric!

See I would prefer trousers but in no way does that mean others shouldn’t have the choice to wear a skirt. Such a ridiculous rule much like the one in my daughters school. At her school girls aren’t allowed to wear trousers, which is ridiculous especially for a four year old that struggles with tights and pulling them up etc in winter. She wanted trousers so I argued with the school for her to be allowed, she still wore a skirt sometimes and a dress in the summer but at least she had the option. Unfortunately because of the stupid school rules she gets called a boy by other kids (I’m not too annoyed because well, they are four and five so it’s not their fault) and so she would rather just wear a skirt, this is at five ffs. She loves them but I’m dreading the tights for winter which she hates, I’ve bought some snag tights for her hoping they are better and don’t roll down so much but we will see how it goes. All students should have the choice. If a boy wants to wear a skirt, let him and let a girl wear trousers if she wants to. Like I told my kid, she wears trousers outside of school or leggings etc and she isn’t a boy because of it also, look at all the parents, you rarely see a woman wearing a dress or skirt, most wear jeans or leggings etc, they aren’t men because of that. It’s awful how much sexism you see when your kid starts school. My child is quite a feminine girl and loves to wear sparkly hair bands and the like but she will still run around in her dinosaur raincoat with a Viking sword pretending to fight off the baddies or some character form a show she likes. It’s about letting your child decide what they like and what is comfortable for them, no need to force them one way or the other.

2B actually, what would really solve it is getting rid of uniform altogether. Like swathes of Europe and America manage to, but apparently British schools and schoolchildren are super-special and can’t manage to do this one simple thing.

This week I have seen more fixed mindsets from schools and teachers than ever. It’s very depressing.

I'm sure most people think skirts, trousers and shorts offered to both sexes is the way forward.

But in terms of decomposing who thinks that's a limited choice for the boys, because they can't help but commit indecent exposure, then too bad. They get two choices and girls get three.

I really don't think that 'boys might expose their penis' is a good reason on which to base choices for girls.

If that happens, then they can stop wearing the skirt. Because, you know, different genitalia. Same for bras and jockstraps.

I really don't think that 'boys might expose their penis' is a good reason on which to base choices for girls

I also think that as far as adult men go you never "accidently" see anything.

You see their genetalia because they either don't give a shit that they are pissing in public or wearing baggy saggy holey underwear and they get off on not caring who sees.Or because they actively got it out to intimidate you.

And I'm.pretty damn sure by the end of primary schools the boys have figured out how to dress themselves and parents have been through multiple types of underwear to find one they like and feel comfortable in.

Are we really supposed to buy it's all accident

Aaaah yes I always try to double and triple emphasise that both sexes can do anything.

I once googled and printed off some pics of women in trousers for my niece, who sounds a bit like your DD.. seemed to help a bit, kids can come out with sexist things sometimes.

That’s a point Cassian but it can be harder for poorer kids (ime) with no uniform. I was always stressing on uniform-free days because my clothes were older and waaay less cool than anyone’s, but wearing a uniform for 99% of the time made it easier.

It's all nonsense

The idea that cultures where skirt type garments are commonly worn by men are somehow backwards is really offensive. The lengths some people will go to, to argue a poor point, is ridiculous.

At my kid's school the uniform choices are - trousers, shorts, skirt. Anyone can wear any of those choices. A few boys have chosen to wear the skirt, and the girls seem to wear all three choices, in about even numbers. Problem solved.

The idea that cultures where skirt type garments are commonly worn by men are somehow backwards is really offensive.

Yes. About as casually racist as the suggestion that only women in the developing world need single sex toilets. But it's just logicless flopping around in service of the same central point of enabling Y chromosomes over X ones.

Oh no, I didn’t see anything about skirts being backward One of the skirt-wearing men at my parents Church is a physiotherapist - very respectable surely.

I think my friend’s comment (that trousered men look a bit un-manly to her) shows how socially constructed it all is.

If boys were allowed to wear skirts, and were unconditionally loved and accepted that way, maybe some more of them would grow up into GNC men.

I also think that as far as adult men go you never "accidently" see anything.

How many men do you see wearing skirts then? Because you can't say you don't see anything when you've not actually seen men wearing skirts can you?

As some of you are so keen on telling men and boys what underwear is acceptable when wearing a skirt, I'm assuming that this also applies to girls and women then? If you're wearing a skirt or dress that might ride up or blow up in the wind then you have to be wearing sturdy underwear?

This thread's an excellent demonstration of the dangers of blindly clinging to the notion that "equality" is the be all and end all.

For what it's worth, as a survivor of csa, skirts are simply not an option for me. I haven't worn one since my primary school started allowing girls to wear trousers a quarter of a century ago, because I feel incredibly vulnerable and exposed in them.

This means that, in hot summer weather, my options in a Decomposing-uniform scenario, are trousers or stay home (and lose job / miss out on education as a result). Why must I be denied the right to be cool and comfortable and not constantly on high alert because there's literally nothing but a scrap of fabric separating my undercarriage from the world, just because men and boys don't want to push for the right to wear garments that society has taught them are degrading to them? Hardly seems fair.

If boys were allowed to wear skirts, and were unconditionally loved and accepted that way, maybe some more of them would grow up into GNC men.

But skirts are the most impractical item of clothing. Why is it a positive thing if people choose to wear them? I don't get it. A man wearing a skirt is what, a better person in your view?

This means that, in hot summer weather, my options in a Decomposing-uniform scenario, are trousers or stay home (and lose job / miss out on education as a result). Why must I be denied the right to be cool and comfortable and not constantly on high alert because there's literally nothing but a scrap of fabric separating my undercarriage from the world, just because men and boys don't want to push for the right to wear garments that society has taught them are degrading to them? Hardly seems fair.

Well what do you wear now? I don't get your point? Currently in school the option for girls are skirts and trousers - what do men wearing skirts have anything to do with your choices?

Everyone originally was arguing for the option of skirts and trousers for everyone so how would that have helped you? Genuinely don't understand.