Girls wearing skirts not allowed into school - could only be Brighton

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www.theargus.co.uk/news/17886600.lewes-priory-gender-neutral-uniform-protest/

Apparently “gender neutral” means trousers aka the male default. This is utterly insane. I mean I wouldn’t have minded the choice of trousers or skirts for either sex but only trousers?

Something must have happened, or have been a particularly traumatic issue.

Nope nothing has happened other than my son expressing how uncomfortable he's been this summer having to wear a suit, tie, formal shoes and long sleeved shirt whilst his female colleagues have been wearing sleeveless dresses and sandals.

Made me realise how unequal clothing choices are for boys and men.

So that is neither fair nor equal. And treating people equally doesn't mean treating them the sam

That is a non sequitur. It doesn't follow logically.

'Fair' and 'equal' are both idealistic principles - not real things. How can it be fair to remove a valid choice from one person, because another feels that they cannot take that choice up it up -even when the choice is theirs to make, and entirely feasible?

Made me realise how unequal clothing choices are for boys and me

True - but that is down to other men and male society. Why don't they campaign for their rights in the way that women have done? Removing women's rights does not solve the problem.

Calling the police, WTF!?

I know its been said but surely the answer is making both options available to all students?

Nothing wrong with boys in skirts.

My parents’ parish has a large PI community and at Sunday Mass, there are more men in skirts than trousers. In fact a friend from this community says men in trousers look effeminate (to her).

How can it be fair to remove a valid choice from one person, because another feels that they cannot take that choice up it up -even when the choice is theirs to make, and entirely feasible?

How are you removing a choice from girls when they currently don't have that as an option? You aren't removing anything from girls. Their position is unchanged. They are no worse off than they are now. They have 2 options and will continue to have 2 options, whilst boys only have 1 option currently.

Fair' and 'equal' are both idealistic principles - not real things.

Ok. Give boys equality when it comes to school uniform then. Still the same principle. Equality doesn't mean the same.

Im concerned about the families who cant afford to replace the uniform on the schools whim sudden mind change.

Are the girls of these families going to be put in isolation if they cant afford it?

Bet the Argus wouldnt be interested in covering that.

(Found on google - I’m not photographing random men at church)

Clothing is actually one of the very few arenas in which women have more freedom than men. That doesn't mean that wommen and girl's choices should be curtailed, It is a reason to expand male rights and freedoms in the realm of dress.

Removing women's rights does not solve the problem.

What rights have been removed from women in this instance?

Ok. Give boys equality when it comes to school uniform then. Still the same principle. Equality doesn't mean the same

Women are not preventing men from wearing skirts, It is other men, by & large. Equality, in this circumstance, would mean the same range of choices for all: skirts, trousers or shorts.

It is a reason to expand male rights and freedoms in the realm of dress.

Exactly. Allow them the option of shorts.

Exactly. Allow them the option of shorts

Yes, but girls too....

Why would boys wearing shorts make any difference, though, to girls rolling up their skirts?

So what if they aren't currently an option. Skirts aren't an option for boys but you've still banged on about it haven't you?

I have no idea what point you are making now. You set some bizarre significance about your being the only person who mentioned shorts as an option. No one else had mentioned shorts because up to that point I guess no one had thought about shorts being an option.

But after you raised the point not one single poster has disagreed with you that shorts should be an option for any pupil who wants them.

Equality, in this circumstance, would mean the same range of choices for all: skirts, trousers or shorts.

Omg no, it isn't equality to give someone an illusion of choice. What you are saying is give everyone the same options, even if in reality that still puts girls in a more favourable position.

You aren't giving equality if you propose to dictate the underwear that boys have to wear (when you don't do it to girls) in order that they could wear a skirt.

What rights have been removed from women in this instance?

This thread was about girls losing the right to wear skirts.......
You seem to have brought up the totally separate issue of boys not being allowed to wear shorts, and then making it into an equality issue.

Why would boys wearing shorts make any difference, though, to girls rolling up their skirts

I don't care about girls rolling their skirts up. That's up to them and their parents to sort out if they think it's a problem.

Decomposing why aren’t skirts practical or valid for boys?

Where I am school uniforms consist of skirts or shorts - children (of both sexes) can choose.

I have seen a couple of little boys in skirts, I think it’s great. The world hasn’t ended.

Omg no, it isn't equality to give someone an illusion of choice

You seem stuck on this.....It is not an illusion. I see ever more men wearing skirts. It is real; a real possibility - not an illusion. Perhaps your boys are just not brave enough......but some men are.

I don't care about girls rolling their skirts up. That's up to them and their parents to sort out if they think it's a problem

You said it was an issue for you with your daughter.

This thread was about girls losing the right to wear skirts.......

Which I don't agree with

You seem to have brought up the totally separate issue of boys not being allowed to wear shorts, and then making it into an equality issue.

Because other posters said that boys should be allowed to wear skirts, which I don't think is a practical option. So I suggested shorts. Then everyone jumped on the bandwagon insisting that girls too must be allowed to wear shorts. Hence it's an equality issue.

If I was proposing that boys be offered the option of 3 choices and girls 2 for anything, no one here would support it. So how can you argue that it's fine for girls to have 3 choices and boys only 2?

Today 00:32 DecomposingComposers

I don't care about girls rolling their skirts up. That's up to them and their parents to sort out if they think it's a problem

Yesterday 23:48 DecomposingComposers

Because that is what girls wear at school. I had 7 years of arguing with my dd to unroll her skirt waist band so that her knickers weren't on show

You have been "banging on" about rolling up skirts throughout this thread.

You said it was an issue for you with your daughter.

It was when she was at school. It's not anymore.

I'm simply saying that if boys are allowed to wear skirts then I presume you mean the same rules will apply to their skirts as apply to girls skirts?

why aren’t skirts practical or valid for boys?

I've gone into it at length, I'm not repeating myself again.

What style skirts are the boys wearing? The same style that girls wear or a different style?

I see ever more men wearing skirts.

Really? I cannot remember when I last saw a man wearing a skirt and I live in London where anything goes. You must live in a very modern town.

Perhaps your boys are just not brave enough......but some men are.

Nothing to do with him not being brave enough. Do you think women are brave for wearing skirts?

He wouldn't wear a skirt because they aren't practical and he wouldn't chance exposing himself.