Girls wearing skirts not allowed into school - could only be Brighton

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Apparently “gender neutral” means trousers aka the male default. This is utterly insane. I mean I wouldn’t have minded the choice of trousers or skirts for either sex but only trousers?

Why not give both girls and boys the choice between trousers, skirts and shorts? The odd brave male soul may well take the offer up - and be liberated by it. And trans children would have all options available to them
I would bloody hope they do take it up. But right now even though its men right now kicking men out the man box for wearing skirts its easier to blame women for non existent complaints cos that way men dont have to sort their own shit out

And men dont want the skirt but girls cant have it either cos it has to be exactly even, so even though women fought to wear trousers cos men cant be bothered to do the same with skirts

Indeed. And what are the replies on here when that is mentioned? How dare men or boys sexualise a girls body, how dare they police what girls wear, if male teachers have a problem with girls wearing short skirts, tight trousers, revealing clothes then it is the men who have a problem not the girls, the clothes or their bodies

This is a cultural issue, rather than an individual girl's responsibility.
Skirts are not the issue. Gils will be sexualised whatever they wear. Tight fitting trousers are just as revealing.

In a single sex secondary school most of these issues are redundant.

Sex exists. Why not acknowledge it?

Such as? Why not just give boys the option of shorts, a garment that already exists? Then the number of uniform options is the same for each sex. Girls haven't had anything taken away

The most equal option is to give the full range of choice to both sexes: skirts, shorts, trousers. It will most likely be the alpha male that decides to brave the skirt, anyway.

Some boys might. I've seen a number of boys/men in skirts recently, and it just takes one or two brave souls to break through the taboo.

So you can genuinely see no issue with men and boys wearing skirts to school? Will you dictate the underwear that they wear too? Will you regulate the length of the skirt? Only good luck with that because many schools haven't succeeded with the length of girls skirts have they?

Skirts are not the issue.

So no one will have an issue with boys and male teachers wearing skirts then? Even mid thigh skirts like girls wear? Even when they wear boxer shorts? You can envisage no problems with this?

My DD doesn't like trousers, at all - leggings or skirts/dresses only - she doesn't like the feel of them.
Why can't they all choose between trousers or skirts.

So you can genuinely see no issue with men and boys wearing skirts to school?

No, I genuinely cannot. Once one does it, it makes it possible for other to do so. That is how progress happens. One of my sons had beautiful, long blond hair when at secondsry school- in spite of most of the other boys having short hair.

Why can't they all choose between trousers or skirts.

Because skirts currently aren't a valid choice for boys are they? So you aren't in reality giving boys a choice. Why not give boys the choice of trousers or shorts and girls trousers or skirts?

What is the problem with that?

Will you dictate the underwear that they wear too? Will you regulate the length of the skirt? Only good luck with that because many schools haven't succeeded with the length of girls skirts have they?

I'm not trying to dictate anything, You are. You seem to have a very particular bee in your bonnet.

Justhadathought

Long hair isn't flashing underwear or worse is it? Will you instruct boys on what underwear they must wear with a skirt to stop the danger of genital fall out?

Because skirts currently aren't a valid choice for boys are they?

If given the choice, then they are...and as already said multiple times, there will be one or two boys who take up the possibility.....to show how alpha they are.

You seem to have a very particular bee in your bonnet

Yes, the fact that men and boys have different genitalia to girls and women. The sort that is outside of their bodies and risks falling out of underwear. How practical do you think that is in school?

If given the choice, then they are...and as already said multiple times, there will be one or two boys who take up the possibility.....to show how alpha they are.

Great. Shops will definitely stock a wide range of male skirts in every size on the basis of 1 or 2 boys wearing them.

And how long before the first complaint of indecent exposure occurs because some boys testicles fall out of a pant leg and are visible?

Long hair isn't flashing underwear or worse is it? Will you instruct boys on what underwear they must wear with a skirt to stop the danger of genital fall out?

Honestly, this is getting a bit silly.....

Why is wearing a skirt necessarily the same as flashing your bottom? I wear skirts all of the time, but wear them knee length.I have been a teacher too - and it was never a big issue with pupils.

If boys wore skrits too, then the skirt would become less of an gendered item - resulting in less need to make it a sexualised one.

“Why not give boys the choice of trousers or shorts and girls trousers or skirts?”

BecauSe the only sensible thing to do is to offer a choice of trousers, skirts or shorts to everyone. Anything else is petty point scoring.

Yes, the fact that men and boys have different genitalia to girls and women. The sort that is outside of their bodies and risks falling out of underwear. How practical do you think that is in school?

What has that got to do with girls wearing skirts?

Great. Shops will definitely stock a wide range of male skirts in every size on the basis of 1 or 2 boys wearing them

Oh, for goodness sake......

Just as with girls wearing trousers that don't fit perfectly, I'm sure boys could manage. It is just a piece of fabric for goodness sake.

Justhadathought

It's nothing to do with girls wearing skirts, nothing.

It's everything to do with the practicalities of boys and men wearing skirts - given that they have external genitals which aren't always contained within their pants. Now, when wearing trousers that isn't a problem. When wearing skirts, however, it is. Can you not see that?

So why cant men wear underwear they dont fall out of then? That's not sexist as women have to wear underwear that would say hold a sanitary towel.

So again because men are too stupid and lazy and to fight for their right to wear a skirt they cant wear the skirt?
Suddenly anatomy and body shape matters when it comes to boys but girls body shape and anatomy isnt worth considering when you justified removing the choice of skirt so it evened up with the lack of choice for boys?

Again that laziness and stupidity in the boys and mens side but of course men are the victims here cos false accusations of indecent exposure...

Just as with girls wearing trousers that don't fit perfectly, I'm sure boys could manage. It is just a piece of fabric for goodness sake.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Where currently sells boys school skirts? Nowhere. So boys will have to buy girls skirts. So a year 11, 12 stone 6 foot boy can wear a year 11 girls skirt yes? Cos you get a lot of 12 stone, 6 foot girls don't you?

So, even if they can get them around their waist they will be incredibly short.

It's everything to do with the practicalities of boys and men wearing skirts - given that they have external genitals which aren't always contained within their pants. Now, when wearing trousers that isn't a problem. When wearing skirts, however, it is. Can you not see that?

Boys have a penis and testicles. That does not mean that they cannot wear a skirt. What it means is that they require suitable underwear to accommodate their genitals; in a similar way to girls wearing a bra. And , in fact, a skirt would disguise and hide their protuberance far more than a pair of trousers would.

I sense a particular issue for you here - that is driving your intransigence. I have boys too - as well as a girl - and now a granddaughter.

Again that laziness and stupidity in the boys and mens side but of course men are the victims here cos false accusations of indecent exposure..

How is it lazy? Not every man finds tight fitting underwear comfortable. You know, just like women wear different styles. In fact, tight fitting underpants aren't actually very healthy for males because testicles are meant to be away from the body, not held close to it (which is why men with fertility problems are advised to wear boxer shorts).

So skirts are not practical for boys and men unless you plan to compel them to wear a certain type of underwear which tbh would not be acceptable for girls would it?

So why cant men wear underwear they dont fall out of then?

They can of course do this. Men in kilts manage all the time to not expose their genitals. This is just another non- point.

Where currently sells boys school skirts?

And who originally sold trousers that were meant to fit female bodies, in an age when women did not wear trousers? The answer was that women have had to put up with clothing that did not fit their shape; and that is still the case. Who finds it easy to find clothes that perfectly fit their body, unless they have them tailor made? Nobody.

Change only happens incrementally. Once the idea of boys' skirts is introduced, then producers will appear to fill the vacancy.

What it means is that they require suitable underwear to accommodate their genitals; in a similar way to girls wearing a bra.

So you would tell boys what type of underwear to wear? Even though tight fitting pants aren't healthy and many find them uncomfortable?

And girls are made to wear bras are they?

Plenty of women on MN say they no longer wear bras because they aren't comfortable.

But hey. Let's tell boys what underwear they are allowed to wear simply because you insist that if boys are given a uniform choice it has to be skirts or trousers, the same as girls, even though girls and boys are different and have different bodies.

So you'll accept boys being told what to wear, even down to underwear choice when that would be outrageous if anyone told girls what style knickers to wear, right?

Because God forbid, we should try to treat boys equally with regards to clothing.