Girls wearing skirts not allowed into school - could only be Brighton

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www.theargus.co.uk/news/17886600.lewes-priory-gender-neutral-uniform-protest/

Apparently “gender neutral” means trousers aka the male default. This is utterly insane. I mean I wouldn’t have minded the choice of trousers or skirts for either sex but only trousers?

@decomposing - the thread is about a school stopping young women wearing skirts, is it not?

@DecomposingComposers

and then you said this:

So you think it's fair to treat one sex worse than the other? You think it's ok to limit the choices given to one sex but not the other? Ok then.

Equality doesnt mean treating everyone exactly the same. Its providing adaptations that allow everyone to have equal benefit or opportunity.

Exactly and entirety my point. It's all of you who are saying equality = letting everyone wear skirts, dresses and trousers, thereby treating everyone the same.

In this instance I am saying equality = giving everyone the same number of choices including a summer option.

Therefore trousers and shorts for males
Skirts and trousers for females

Is equality. Treating people equally and with the same benefit but in accordance with specific needs.

Between puberty periods etc the removal of skirts means that some girls will not be able to comfortably access or attend their education.

So don't remove the option of skirts, as I've been saying. Add in the option of shorts for boys. That is treating people equally but not the same.

Arguing for boys to be offered skirts and dresses because girls are is treating everyone the same, so you're arguing against youreslf now.

This thread is beginning to feel like one of those where you realise after some hours that someone is taking the piss.

But your thinking is as boys cant wear shorts so girls shouldnt wear skirts

As opposed to let's get boys allowed to wear shorts

Now what we have pointed out is that gender neutral should mean opening up the skirts to the boys but you seek tho think that because boys and men block themselves from wearing skirts due to hatred of femininity in men and boys which somehow despite it being in their heads women are responsible, that its only fair girls cant wear skirts

Ihatemyseleffordoingthis

I did. In response to a point made by another poster. Maybe read and quote the whole exchange and then it will make sense.

Frenchfancy
As a feminist I 100% support this. One uniform for everyone. This is how you get equality. Trousers haven't been male attire for decades and if men tried to claim that they were then they would be shouted down in flames*

Have you actually read the thread?

the very same posters who are currently proclaiming how awful and unsuitable they are for women
Because for some women and girls they are awful and unsuitable. Several posters, including me, have said that. What is so bloody difficult about understanding that ?

I don’t think anyone has done that, with the honourable exception ofmarguaritewho has always expressed a preference for skirts...but i dont think she has said unsuitable

Depends what you mean by "unsuitable" . If all you mean is covering the lower half of the body- then no trousers are not unsuitable. If you mean being comfortable, fitting well, suiting body shapes, being more adaptable for variations of temperature and weather then for me and other posters, they are unsuitable.

Personally I find the "trousers are unisex" argument weak. Trousers (at least in the western world and kilt wearers excepted) are the automatic male default. The fact that many women might choose to wear them does not alter that. Forcing girls to wear trousers is imposing a male default.

But your thinking is as boys cant wear shorts so girls shouldnt wear skirts

I have literally been saying the very opposite repeatedly. I could not have been clearer.

Boys - trousers and shorts
Girls - skirts and trousers.

I have said this repeatedly. How on earth do you get from that girls shouldn't wear skirts?

The only way you can argue is to make stuff up is it?

As opposed to let's get boys allowed to wear shorts

Which is my very point and I am the only poster to have suggested it. So how can you say that I have not been arguing to let boys wear shorts? I am. It is my very point!!!!!!!

Bold fail should read

Frenchfancy
As a feminist I 100% support this. One uniform for everyone. This is how you get equality. Trousers haven't been male attire for decades and if men tried to claim that they were then they would be shouted down in flames

Have you actually read the thread?

@DecomposingComposers oh, I have

Now what we have pointed out is that gender neutral should mean opening up the skirts to the boys but you seek tho think that because boys and men block themselves from wearing skirts due to hatred of femininity in men and boys which somehow despite it being in their heads women are responsible, that its only fair girls cant wear skirts

Nope. Where have I said any of that?

I think that there are a limited number of ways to cover the bottom half of a human body- trousers, shorts and skirts, and they should all be available to both sexes.

Lots of the gils also wear a bra and a vest wheras the boys only wear a vest so girls shouldnt wear socks.

Girls are allowed to wear a bra? What shocking inequality is that?

I think that every girl who insists on wearing a bra to school should have one shoe taken away.

“I think that every girl who insists on wearing a bra to school should have one shoe taken away.”

Now what we have pointed out is that gender neutral should mean opening up the skirts to the boys

Skirts aren't gender neutral though, regardless of whether you think they ought to be or not they aren't currently.

I think that there are a limited number of ways to cover the bottom half of a human body- trousers, shorts and skirts, and they should all be available to both sexes.

Yeah, great. Let's wait for the 1st men and boys to go into school wearing short skirts and then see the first complaints about it reaching the newspapers because someone has accused someone of flashing. I'll look forward to seeing you defending their right to wear a skirt and not have their choice of underwear policed and how dare anyone specialise the mere sight of a teenage boys upper thigh then Bertrand

Girls are allowed to wear a bra? What shocking inequality is that?

Yep. In the interests of equality obviously boys and men need to be allowed to wear bras too.

The girls in the protest pictures are all wearing skirts that don't even hit mid thigh and their parents are right next to them holding signs.

Clearly those skirts are too short for school, it's always been the case that skirts should be around knee length for school.

If the school have been trying to get people to adhere that rule for years with no success then absolutely a trousers only policy makes sense.

It's not discriminatory to set a uniform that is appropriate for both sexes.

It could however be argued that the school did not provide enough notice so parents have been adversely financially affected by having to replace skirts with trousers.

Ah, but I don’t defend the right of girls to wear school skirts of a length that reveals their genitalia. So why would I defend a boy’s right to?

And let's not forget that despite never giving a shit about womens feelings or ideas to the point they murder or jail those that have them, suddenly the idea of women complaining about men wearing skirts is what's stopping men from.doing so...

This is absurd. There are so many more important issues to focus on than trying to appease the tiny proportion of the population who are transexual. Let people wear what the hell they like FFS and then it isn't an issue.

Ah, but I don’t defend the right of girls to wear school skirts of a length that reveals their genitalia. So why would I defend a boy’s right to
A) because most people on here do, for the reasons that I said
B) because schools are fighting a losing battle to get girls to wear skirts that don't reveal their genitalia so if they can't stop girls then they can't stop boys.

I don't understand what periods have to do with wearing trousers.

I live in a country where no school uniform is imposed. I have had DCs in secondary school for the past 10 years and I can count on one hand the number of times I have seen a girl in a skirt. And girls here have periods too!

Frenchfancy

I don't understand what periods have to do with wearing trousers

That doesn't surprise. It has been explained on the thread.