Girls wearing skirts not allowed into school - could only be Brighton

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www.theargus.co.uk/news/17886600.lewes-priory-gender-neutral-uniform-protest/

Apparently “gender neutral” means trousers aka the male default. This is utterly insane. I mean I wouldn’t have minded the choice of trousers or skirts for either sex but only trousers?

If everyone has a choice of skirts dress shirts and trousers then that should he sufficient surely .

The mental erasure inside peoples heads fir their own personal reasons is not something that can be "evened" up.

Especially when some people are determined to paint themselves as deprived whatever you do.

Why do you have to even it up?

So you think it's fair to treat one sex worse than the other? You think it's ok to limit the choices given to one sex but not the other? Ok then.

I mean- you can’t conjure up another form of clothing one’s lower half- there really are only 3! Denying one to a particular group for some playground version of fairness is just bonkers.

Can i check my undersatding. Decomposing as decided that an equal number of choices is the test of fairness and that saying anyone can wear trousers, shorts or skirts isnt fair as skirts are actually only an illusion of choice for men so girls should therefor not wear shorts.

“You think it's ok to limit the choices given to one sex but not the other? Ok then.”

I’m not. You are. Shorts are societally accepted for boys and girls. But you want to stop girls wearing them because skirts aren’t. That’s just daft.

I mean- you can’t conjure up another form of clothing one’s lower half- there really are only 3! Denying one to a particular group for some playground version of fairness is just bonkers

Exactly

Lots of the gils also wear a bra and a vest wheras the boys only wear a vest so girls shouldnt wear socks.

If everyone has a choice of skirts dress shirts and trousers then that should he sufficient surely .

But giving boys/men the option of wearing dresses or skirts is a non choice isn't it? At least currently. There would be uproar if it happened.

If you can't drive and I give you the options of driving around in a car or a van that isn't a choice is it?

Or you can't swim but I give you the options of swimming or diving for pe then it isn't a choice is it?

Trousers are considered unisex. They are mainstream for males and females to wear. Whether you wear them or not they are viable options and it is your choice to wear them. So giving girls the choice of wearing skirts or trousers isn't giving them a masculine and feminine option. Both are considered equally valid options for females.

Skirts and dresses are not considered valid options for males at the moment. So how is giving those as an option a valid choice? It isn't.

Women suffer many instances of inequality and they are wrong and need to be addressed and corrected but when it comes to clothing I do think men and boys are treated unequally. What is wrong in seeking to address that inequality? In this instance what people are arguing for is to treat females better than men. I fail to see how you can do that with s straight face when you argue for equality for women.

Shorts are societally accepted for boys and girls. But you want to stop girls wearing them because skirts aren’t. That’s just daft.

I have never known a school to offer shorts as a uniform choice for girls. If there is one that currently does then let them continue but most, if not all secondaries, do not offer shorts as an option for either sex.

Uts not gonna get any better if nen dont di it though is it.

Women got thrown in jail for wearing trousers ffs. They did it. They fought

And men should too.

Women should not lose choices because men cant be arsed to get off their back sides and do the same. Thats on them not us.

Trousers/shorts/skirts for all
End of.

(though it seems likely this is more about some reactionary ideas of "modesty" and control than anything to do with gender equality).

But this is what happens when you spend your days policing women and trying to work out how to portray yourself as hard done by. Years go by and you realise that actually you have forgotten to fight for your own choices.

And even now men are so sodding angry that instead of admitting they were lazy and too used to getting their own way they just want to dial back on what women have achieved

Own your fuck up

Women should not lose choices because men cant be arsed to get off their back sides and do the same. Thats on them not us.

Women aren't losing a choice though are they because shorts currently aren't an option in school uniform. So no one is losing anything.

Show me where girls are currently campaigning to wear shorts at school? They aren't.

I'm.suggesting adding in a more practical summer choice for men and boys, in line with what girls and women already have. No one is losing anything.

Decomposing you are going up a ridiculous cul de sac.

Men feel that it isn't socially acceptable for them to do a thing, and most don't wish to
Therefore women must be stopped from doing that thing

Wearing skirts enables me not to bring on health issues that are present because of my sex. Because I am a woman.
@HandsOffMyRights
To be fair, I don't think many of the girls will have a C section scar, boys can also get thrush. 🤣

And even now men are so sodding angry that instead of admitting they were lazy and too used to getting their own way they just want to dial back on what women have achieved

Please explain how suggesting that boys and men be allowed to wear shorts in the summer, as an approximation of women and girls wearing skirts, is a dialling back on women's achievements?

What are women losing out on? Currently girls wear skirts and trousers to school. By allowing boys to wear shorts what have women lost?

Precisely nothing.

As a feminist I 100% support this. One uniform for everyone. This is how you get equality. Trousers haven't been male attire for decades and if men tried to claim that they were then they would be shouted down in flames.

Men feel that it isn't socially acceptable for them to do a thing, and most don't wish to
Therefore women must be stopped from doing that thing

Sorry what thing must women be stopped from doing?

Frenchfancy

Exactly. If anyone tried to argue that trousers were in anyway masculine the very same posters who are currently proclaiming how awful and unsuitable they are for women would be up in arms.

Trousers are unisex.

By allowing boys to wear shorts what have women lost?
I agree, nothing. Anyone who wants to, in my opinion, should be allowed to wear clothing appropriate to the weather (they can all ditch blazers whilst they are at it)

But that is not the point in this situation. It's young women's choices that are being unnecessarily limited. Why should girls be less comfortable because social convention requires men to dress in a particular way?

@decomposing
Men feel that it isn't socially acceptable for them to do a thing, and most don't wish to
Therefore women must be stopped from doing that thing

Sorry what thing must women be stopped from doing?
Wearing skirts

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But I'm not saying women must stop wearing skirts. I have iterated this multiple times.

Let girls/female teachers wear skirts and trousers.

Let boys/male teachers wear shorts and trousers.

No one is losing anything that they currently have. What is the problem?

the very same posters who are currently proclaiming how awful and unsuitable they are for women

I don’t think anyone has done that, with the honourable exception of marguarite who has always expressed a preference for skirts...but i dont think she has said unsuitable

Decomposing- can you explain why you think it’s so important that boys and girls have exactly the same number of choices? And also. What would happen if a boy did want to wear a skirt?

Equality doesnt mean treating everyone exactly the same. Its providing adaptations that allow everyone to have equal benefit or opportunity.

Between puberty periods etc the removal of skirts means that some girls will not be able to comfortably access or attend their education.

Boys do not have periods and their bodies dont develop the same way girls bodies do so not being able to wear skirt doesnt impact them in the same way.

If we treated a person in a wheel chair exactly the same then either we would all have wheel chairs and the bus chooses one to get on at random or the bus wouldnt pick up anyone at all. Instead we provide a space and some.people may have to stand
or move in order for them to access it.

Equality does not mean exactly the same