Girls wearing skirts not allowed into school - could only be Brighton

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www.theargus.co.uk/news/17886600.lewes-priory-gender-neutral-uniform-protest/

Apparently “gender neutral” means trousers aka the male default. This is utterly insane. I mean I wouldn’t have minded the choice of trousers or skirts for either sex but only trousers?

Why do some of you have such difficulty with the idea that trousers are not practical, comfortable and ideal for all women and girls?

And they aren't for men and boys either. Shop around and find styles that do suit and are comfortable. Take them to a tailor and get them altered - all stuff parents of boys who don't fit standard sizes have to do.

So basically your complaint is that both boys and girls have 3 choices, but effectively society rules our one of the boy’s choices. And the solution to this is to knock off one of the girl’s choices too. That seems a bit petty to me.

Shop around and find styles that do suit and are comfortable. Take them to a tailor and get them altered - all stuff parents of boys who don't fit standard sizes have to do

Eh? Why the hell would anyone choose between easily buying a skirt which they like , suits and fits them and is comfortable or shopping around and buying trousers which are none of those things but get them altered?

Like others I'm failing to see what point you are making beyond you seem resentful that girls and women have the option of wearing a much wider selection of clothes than men and boys and that's not fair. Your answer to that, given your last post, seems to be to restrict girls' choices not expand boys'.

This is very odd, it's almost as if you hate girls and women, Decomposing.

Very odd indeed.

Haven't had time to read the last few pages of this thread. Perhaps this has already been mentioned but boys have campaigned for skirts. Sort of. They weren't allowed shorts in summer so wore skirts instead.

As I said before why on earth not allow a simple choice, trouser, skirt, or shorts (in summer). I, like some other posters, find trousers much more uncomfortable than skirts.

“As I said before why on earth not allow a simple choice, trouser, skirt, or shorts (in summer).
Because, for some reason I have yet to understand, this is not fair on boys.

So basically your complaint is that both boys and girls have 3 choices, but effectively society rules our one of the boy’s choices. And the solution to this is to knock off one of the girl’s choices too. That seems a bit petty to me.

No. Who's knocking off a choice for girls? They currently don't have shorts as a choice so by not giving them that option you aren't taking it away because they never had it in the first place.

Giving boys the option of shorts is providing them with another choice, so now they would have 2, the same as girls.

How is that, in anyway unfair to girls? Both have 2 choices. The girls keep their existing options, nothing taken away.

I remember reading about it at the time. Struck a chord because I struggle in the heat and would have hated to have to wear trousers!

MargueritaBlue

Clearly you aren't reading what I'm saying then.

Let girls keep the option of skirts. Nothing changes for them. No added expense. All the same.

Give boys the option of shorts.

What is your problem with that?

“How is that, in anyway unfair to girls? Both have 2 choices. The girls keep their existing options, nothing taken away.”
As I said. Super-petty. Yah boo sucks, girls, we won, you lost.

And if a boy does want to wear a skirt?

Because, for some reason I have yet to understand, this is not fair on boys.

Because skirts are not accepted as an option for boys or men, so it is merely an illusion of choice.

Why do you think it's fair for girls to have more choices than boys? If boys had more choices than girls you would be rightly, annoyed about it. So why not when it's the other way around? Why would you actively argue for inequality just because it favours girls? That's hypocritical surely?

This is very odd, it's almost as if you hate girls and women, Decomposing.

Oh of course. Arguing to remove nothing from girls but give boys an extra option this giving each sex 2 options is of course indicative of hating girls.

Also it seems some schools are adopting a fairer, choice-based gender neutral policy. Admittedly I wouldn't suggest following in the footsteps of the Dublin school in removing sex segregated toilets (perhaps instead they could have an additional unisex option? Bit concerning from a safeguarding perspective.

Yah boo sucks, girls, we won, you lost.

How have girls lost? They've kept the same options as they have now. Many posters are arguing that trousers are male attire, that they are uncomfortable, don't fit the female body properly, cause thrush, are impractical for heavy periods and going to the toilet - so why is it detrimental to women or girls to not offer another variation of male attire that will cause them to suffer so much?

I don’t actually have a problem with a uniform of black trousers / white shirts / logo jumpers for all. I do think that when a school changes uniform policy there should be a decent period in which existing students should be allowed to wear the old uniform they already have.
(I would actually prefer no uniforms, but if you’re going to have a uniform / dress code, then keeping in simple, affordable, and the same for both boys and girls seems to be the way to go.)

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Why do you think it's fair for girls to have more choices than boys? If boys had more choices than girls you would be rightly, annoyed about it”
Well, not if there really were only two options available for girls and three for boys. I wouldn’t then be bonkers enough to take one of the boy’s choices away to “make it fair”!

In my childrens school id say that easily less than 20% of the girls wear trousers

Although there is a selection of skirts available most of them wear short pencil skirts

Clearly you aren't reading what I'm saying then

Your response to a post that trousers are not comfortable for all girls was to post this.
Shop around and find styles that do suit and are comfortable. Take them to a tailor and get them altered - all stuff parents of boys who don't fit standard sizes have to do

Why would this shopping around for the least worst option be needed unless the best option had been removed?

Jeez, UK schools and bloody uniforms: it’s ridiculous. The POLICE involved in checking for skirts. Just scrap uniforms entirely and get on with teaching.

What a waste of police time

Well, not if there really were only two options available for girls and three for boys. I wouldn’t then be bonkers enough to take one of the boy’s choices away to “make it fair”!
So how would you even it up then? And I'm not suggesting taking an option away, as I've said multiple times. I've suggested adding an option to the sex that has the fewer options currently.

So in the example you use, boys have 3 options and the girls have 2. The answer is to give the girls 3 options. You would agree with that I'm sure, so why not when it's the other way around?

The POLICE involved in checking for skirts

Don't be so silly. The police were called because 150 people were protesting at a school and there was potential for a breach of the peace. They weren't called to check for school skirts.

Why would this shopping around for the least worst option be needed unless the best option had been removed?

That was my explanation as to why trousers aren't perfectly suitable for all boys in the same way that they aren't suitable for all girls but no one appears to care about that, not the expense or trouble that parents of boys have to go to to get trousers that fit either.

Again, I don't suggest taking anything away from girls. Give another option to boys - shorts. Solves the problem of leg length Vs waist size too so makes it much easier for parents as well.

This makes me furious, what an utter waste of time and energy
It's a SLT who have backed themselves into a corner - were I a governor I would be very dubious about their competence

And I think it is ludicrous to expect all children to wear trousers. There is nothing wrong with skirts. The next thing will be the exact style of trousers required. people will wear them too tight or too loose or too short. It's bullshit.

“So how would you even it up then?”
Why do you have to even it up?

"no one appears to care about that, not the expense or trouble that parents of boys have to go to to get trousers that fit either."

That will be because it is irrelevant!
So some parents of boys have to take trousers to be tailored, therefore it is fairest if even more parents have to go to the same wasted effort ? Please.