Girls wearing skirts not allowed into school - could only be Brighton

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Apparently “gender neutral” means trousers aka the male default. This is utterly insane. I mean I wouldn’t have minded the choice of trousers or skirts for either sex but only trousers?

The answer is to widen the options for boys and men, or to narrow the options for girls and women

But your view seems to be the first is too difficult- are you suggesting then the second should apply?

Certain (misguided posters) are welcoming the second. What are you suggesting?

Well, only if the intention is to make absolutely sure that girls lose out. What’s wrong with trousers, skirt or shorts for everyone?.

See, here you go again. You say it is wrong to reduce choices for girls in order that boys receive equal treatment. Ok. So increase the choice for boys. Oh no, if you increase the choice for boys then you must increase the choice for girls too.

Think of any number of areas where women get less choice or opportunity than men. In those cases the way to give equality to women is to keep men the same and to raise up the treatment of women. No one who is for equality would look at those situations and say that we should increase options for women and offer the same choices to men, in addition to the better treatment that they already receive would they? Because then you aren't achieving equality you are just maintaining the imbalance.

Well, when it comes to clothing men do have less choice and are more restricted than women so in this instance it is men who need to be treated more fairly.

Surely that is what equality is about? Removing inequality whenever and wherever it occurs?

No matter what any of you say, if a male teacher turned up at school wearing a shirt skirt you would be complaining that he was exposing himself. Female teachers at my dc school wore tennis/netball skirts in the summer so they are higher than mid thigh. Ok for male teachers to wear them then?

My dd and all of her friends would roll their school skirts up so that they were mid thigh. When she bent down you could see her knickers. Ok for the boys to turn up wearing those is it?

It just would not be acceptable for that to happen so saying let men and boys wear skirts just isn't practical is it?

But your view seems to be the first is too difficult- are you suggesting then the second should apply?

No, I am suggesting widening the option for boys and men to let them wear shorts or trousers. Then they have 2 options and girls have 2 options (or possibly 3 if dresses are allowed).

Give men and boys another real option, not a pretend option by saying they can wear skirts.

So what’s your solution, DecomposingComposers? What other option do you want for boys besides trousers and shorts? I am genuinely baffled. Do you want girls not to be allowed shorts so both sexes only have two choices? Incidentally, I have only ever seen women PE teachers wearing tennis/hockey skirts in circumstances where men would be wearing football type shorts, so I’m not sure what the issue is there....

“No, I am suggesting widening the option for boys and men to let them wear shorts or trousers.”

But not let girls wear shorts. What’s that about?

I think loose fitting tunics and leggins all round.

BertrandRussell

I've already said what my solution is. Give males and females the same number of choices.

So trousers or shorts for boys/men
Trousers or skirts for girls/women.

That is equal and fair. Despite what you are all saying trousers are unisex, skirts aren't so it isnt a real choice to say boys can wear trousers or a skirt.

Incidentally, I have only ever seen women PE teachers wearing tennis/hockey skirts in circumstances where men would be wearing football type shorts, so I’m not sure what the issue is there....

Right. But following your suggestion the male pe teachers should be allowed to wear skirts so you're cool with them also wearing tennis/hockey skirts then? You would have to be if your view is that equality is allowing men to wear what women wear wouldn't you? Except that if it happened how long until the first complaint?

Personally, I dislike wearing skirts (female) but everyone should be able to wear either, uniform trousers or uniform skirt, male or female.

Why does anyone care what anyone else wears? Only possible exception, face coverings of any description in a security threat situation (banks, etc). Outside of that, how does what someone else wants to wear have any impact whatsoever on my life?

Forcing girls to wear clothing designed for a male body. Calling it equality. Feminists cheering it on. It’s surreal on here sometimes.

Except that if it happened how long until the first complaint?

I repeat. That's down to men to sort out. If they spent as much time sorting this shit out for themselves as they did playing the victim whenever girls get some thing then we wouldnt be in this mess.

They do fuck all then whinge about it .

Forcing girls to wear clothing designed for a male body. Calling it equality. Feminists cheering it on. It’s surreal on here sometimes.

Then don't. Let girls wear skirts or dresses, clothes made for a female body.

SarahTancredi

So women want boys and men to be restricted to wearing trousers or skirts. When a man wears a skirt in exactly the same way as a woman does (so in line with what you are all demanding) but a complaint is made from a a person who considers that indecent then it's up to men to sort it out??

How so? What if it's a closed minded woman that has complained? So if a man complains that a female teacher wore a skirt that he felt was inappropriate in a school setting you would say that's up to women to solve would you?

If boys / men want to wear skirts they will face some prejudice, find them less suited to their anatomy and they may have to consider how not to expose themselves. Welcome to our world. Let them sort it out for themselves - like girls and women have had to.

“I've already said what my solution is. Give males and females the same number of choices.”

I do find this baffling. Why on earth would you want to restrict girl’s choices? What is wrong with trousers, skirt or shorts for all? I genuinely don’t understand.

Incidentally, women wear gym knicker type pants under games skirts. Presumably a man who wanted to wear a skirt would wear athletic support and similar undergarments. Why would anyone object?

You are not listening to anything people are telling you are you.

Proving the men turn themselves into the victim at every opportunity theory very well

Where r they? Where are they campaigning for shorts or whatever?.they dont give a shit then all.of a sudden women and girls make an stand and theres this huge long list of things that are apparently unfair on men that no ones ever mentioned before because they cant bare women who get together and speak their mind or try and make things happen.

It's boring. And predictable. men are afraid of femininity in other men. Its men blocking themselves all the way

But of course women get the blame

If boys / men want to wear skirts they will face some prejudice, find them less suited to their anatomy and they may have to consider how not to expose themselves. Welcome to our world. Let them sort it out for themselves - like girls and women have had to.

So it's ok for girls to be told that wearing short skirts is exposing themselves and they need to find ways to cover up then is it? Only that's not the view on this board. The view is the problem lies with the person being offended. Why should men or boys have to cover up or face prejudice just because women or girls don't want to see their legs or their pants when they bend down?

I do find this baffling. Why on earth would you want to restrict girl’s choices? What is wrong with trousers, skirt or shorts for all? I genuinely don’t understand.

I don't want to restrict girls choices. Give boys and girls the same number of real options. Skirts are not yet considered an option for boys or men so it is not a real choice. It's an illusion of choice and one that wouldn't be accepted if it were applied to females.

Incidentally, women wear gym knicker type pants under games skirts.

We had to at school but my dd didn't. So why should men and boys have to unless the rule is introduced for girls too?

Would boys have their underwear policed if they choose to wear skirts and roll them right up as girls do? Only no one at school ever told my dd to wear pe knickers under her school skirt in order that her underwear wasn't on show when she bent over due to the fact that her skirt was rolled over many times at the waist band.

Skirts are not yet considered an option for boys or men so it is not a real choice. It's an illusion of choice and one that wouldn't be accepted if it were applied to females

Ffs this is down to MEN.

Men could break these barriers down if they wanted. Easily. They could break these barriers because they sodding built them. Women fought for years chipping away at all the barriers and road blocks that men put up. It landed some in prison ffs.

Stop looking at us to fix it. It needs to come.from them

Where r they? Where are they campaigning for shorts or whatever?.they dont give a shit then all.of a sudden women and girls make an stand and theres this huge long list of things that are apparently unfair on men that no ones ever mentioned before because they cant bare women who get together and speak their mind or try and make things happen.

I've heard it said loads of times before that it isn't fair on boys and men to have to wear long trousers, formal shirts and ties and formal shirts, particularly in the height of summer, when women and girls can wear clothing that is much cooler and less restrictive.

So as we are talking about uniform options then why not discuss what it means to have equality? If you don't want girls and women to be treated the same as men and boys then allow men and boys to be treated the same as women and girls - give both 2 options of uniform, 1 that is better suited to summer weather.

Ffs this is down to MEN.

Men could break these barriers down if they wanted. Easily.

Rubbish. Women would have a problem with men and boys wearing short skirts and you know it.

And suddenly they care about that? Having not given a shit about women and their rights or welfare for centuries. Hinting raping killing jailing women who dare say no without a care in the world.

But suddenly they "listen" to women about skirts on boys?
Give over.

They are the ones with the problem. They throw men out the man.box altogether Bevause of it.

It's taking away the most basic of choices
It isn't about choices - it is a school uniform policy

Exactly. It's the uniform. Suck it up and wear the uniform during the day then when you're out of school wear what the heck you like.

I don’t see the big deal here. Trousers are not a male default - most women I know where trousers of some form more often than they wear skirts or dresses, especially outside of summer. Most schools don’t allow shorts so seems fine not to allow skirts. It’s a uniform not a fashion show and uniforms should be practical - skirts aren’t that practical and there’s lots of problems with pupils not respecting the rules around length.

Having a default rule that everybody wears tailored trousers seems fine to me.

There is a choice of trousers at dd/ds school. The vast vast majority of girls wear skirts (as does dd). She wears a skater style skirt as she finds it less restrictive than a pencil skirt

Having a default rule that everybody wears tailored trousers seems fine to me

Well that's all right then. It seems fine to you so no one else should worry. Have you read the thread ?

It's taking away the most basic of choices
It isn't about choices - it is a school uniform policy

Exactly. It's the uniform. Suck it up and wear the uniform during the day then when you're out of school wear what the heck you like

It absolutely is about taking away choices. Why should girls just suck it up? Why do some of you have such difficulty with the idea that trousers are not practical, comfortable and ideal for all women and girls?

There is a choice of trousers at dd/ds school. The vast vast majority of girls wear skirts (as does dd)

The last time I was at my son's school I didn't see any girl wearing trousers despite the fact they have the choice to do so.