Special trans taxi services to keep them safe

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Hey BBC, where's our front-page promoted article and video interview about all the things women have done for and by each other, for centuries, to stay safe in public? No?

The "look at poor ickle us suffering from these things nobody has ever had to worry about before" is so infuriating. We have been living this shit forever.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-49516092/the-taxi-service-trying-to-keep-trans-people-safe

Transwoman does not equal rapist

Nobody said it does. But when you have an ACTUAL RAPIST. Who then says they are 'a woman'...

Would you lock them up with women and children? I am guessing yes?

Because everyone who has a different opinion to you automatically hates women?

You missed the tantrumming toddler analogy right? Bless.

Transwoman does not equal rapist.

MTF trans people as a group pose as much risk as to women as any other male. Most men are not rapists. But we're still wary when we're vulnerable with strange men.

sympathetic and supportive

Of what, exactly?

The evidence shows likewise. If you cannot see why locking rapists up with women and children is problematic and shows no consideration for women and children, then that is your decision to make

We're on about a bloody taxi service. Being sympathetic towards trans having a trans friendly taxi service doesn't mean you're automatically a woman hater who wants women and children locked up with rapists FFS.

I do agree that women are more vulnerable as members of society.
Good

What I don't, and won't, agree with is that anyone who has ever had a penis should automatically be seen as a threat.
Not seen as a threat. Statistically more likely to be a threat. Therefore it makes logical sense to assume a potential threat.

If women saw every man as an actual threat we would never leave our communes. Obviously we don't think that.

Six drunken young men or one old man sitting alone on a bench? I assess that the former group is more of a threat. They can egg each other on, they're drunk and so less inhibited, and statistically more likely to be violent, as well as being stronger, fitter, with higher testosterone levels and there are six of them.
They might be angels, the old man might be a murderer. I might get it wrong.

You know what I like to hear, though? When those lads are checking each other's behaviour. "Shut up mate you sound well rapey" is very powerful stuff. I know and like many young men, but I'd still assess them as higher risk to me and if they had any empathy they wouldn't be upset about it either.

I think trans women, in particular, but also trans men, face a unique type of discrimination, including threats of sexual and other violence.
It's just homophobia, it's not unique.

We're on about a bloody taxi service. Being sympathetic towards trans having a trans friendly taxi service doesn't mean you're automatically a woman hater who wants women and children locked up with rapists FFS

A taxi service...where women are often vulnerable...to rapists because the man is in charge of the vehicle. Doh!

You have actual women who sexually assault people - hi, I'm one of them.

Karkasaurus
You might want to rephrase that

It's got nothing to do with whether a man is driving. It's about whether the person driving is transphobic. As clearly demonstrated on this thread, you don't need a penis to be transphobic.

As we've covered several times the statistical risk is much much less. This doesn't take away from your assault, obviously. But it's not a very good argument as to why women shouldn't be wary of men.

I've been seriously sexually assaulted by a woman. Is that clear enough?

Karkasaurus
I thought the new York transwomen were specifically concerned about physical safety, not the personal opinions of the driver?
Are you belittling their safety concerns or do you genuinely think bring misgendered is more damaging than being physically attacked?

Why is it an argument for why women shouldn't fear men?

To be fair, I read it that you were the assaulter as well
Sorry you went through that (and to anyone else who has suffered)

What I don't, and won't, agree with is that anyone who has ever had a penis should automatically be seen as a threat.

I think that all males should be seen as a threat. They have the means to commit rape built into their bodies.

I think trans women, in particular, but also trans men, face a unique type of discrimination, including threats of sexual and other violence.

As PPs commented, this is homophobia.

And including, yes, having to deal with the derogatory and hugely negative views displayed towards them, such as treating them, completely unfairly in my opinion and experience, as potential rapists.

They were born with the means to commit rape built into their bodies. I do not know whether they have had it removed and cannot ask, even if I trusted the answer to be true. They are hence a rape threat.

What you are exhorting us to do is to treat people who are born with (to quote another poster) "a built-in rape weapon" as though they have no such weapon. That's not going to happen. My safety is worth more than someone's hurt feelings. Any woman or girl's safety is worth more than someone's hurt feelings.

Physical safety, including the threat of violence from men and women who do not like those who are trans.

Women are perfectly capable of being violent. Read a newspaper.

Is that clear enough?
Yes, much clearer than:
You have actual women who sexually assault people - hi, I'm one of them.
Which implies you are one of the "actual women who sexually assault people"

I know that's not what you meant but bearing in mind how this forum is screenshotted and posted out of context, I thought it would be better that you were able to correct the statement.
Sorry you were assaulted.

Yes, I suppose it did read like that. Oops! No, I was the victim unfortunately.

Women are perfectly capable of being violent.

Not the point here.

Physical safety, including the threat of violence from men and women who do not like those who are trans

Exactly, it doesn't take a huge leap of the imagination to realise that attitudes can take on a physical form too.

The point is, rape, sexual assault, violence and abusive behaviour is not a penis/no penis binary. Believe me, you can be hurt pretty badly with hands alone.

Yes, but I'm sorry and I'm going to labour this point, the statistical risk of being sexually assaulted by a male is much higher.

Women are perfectly capable of being violent. Read a newspaper.
Which would show how rare it was in comparison to male violence, right?

the threat of violence from men and women who do not like those who are trans
Women do not beat up transwomen. Homophobic men do. The same homophobic men who beat me up, beat transwomen up.
But transwomen are entitled to specialist services and if I ask for them I'm exclusionary.

The point is, rape, sexual assault, violence and abusive behaviour is not a penis/no penis binary. Believe me, you can be hurt pretty badly with hands alone.
I agree which is why penis removal is irrelevant to me. We've already established in the conversation about sport that being born male affords strength and aggression advantages that aren't removed by gonadectomy or cross-sex hormones.