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Special trans taxi services to keep them safe

999 replies

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 04/09/2019 13:52

Hey BBC, where's our front-page promoted article and video interview about all the things women have done for and by each other, for centuries, to stay safe in public? No?

The "look at poor ickle us suffering from these things nobody has ever had to worry about before" is so infuriating. We have been living this shit forever.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-49516092/the-taxi-service-trying-to-keep-trans-people-safe

OP posts:
RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 13:23

I know you were talking about men.
It's the insinuation to what you say trans women are in relation to your comment I was jesusing about.

DickKerrLadies · 06/09/2019 13:24

You didn't jesus me Confused

HumberElla · 06/09/2019 13:25

Whoah, so I support transwomen wholeheartedly in their campaign for a service that suits them and you’re calling me a dick, Kark ??

I give up.

DickKerrLadies · 06/09/2019 13:28

And what do I say transwomen are?

Fraggling · 06/09/2019 13:29

You jesused me.

Because I said that most of the cabbies around here are of the unreconstructed bloke variety. If that means what I think it means.

I mean they're always but always male.
And their views and conversation tend to be a bit uncomfortable to my lefty sensibilities. Young girls these days, immigrants etc etc you know. Or maybe you don't!

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 13:29

Whichever poster it was on about standard deconstructed bloke if it wasn't you fair enough but if you're taking umbrage by saying "I was talking about men!" you can see why it gets confusing in a fast moving thread if it wasn't you.

Fraggling · 06/09/2019 13:30

Unreconstructed

'not reconciled or converted to the current political theory or movement.'

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 13:32

Ah, was Fraggling. Yes, unreconstructed bloke is what I was jesusing at.
Yes, you were referring to men.
I never said you weren't. It's the insinuation behind the unreconstructed bloke in the context of this thread, you surely must see a WTF moment there...

DickKerrLadies · 06/09/2019 13:34

Bloody hell, talk about a potatoes, patatas way to say no I'm not saying that but yes I am saying that really I mean WTF lol

It was perhaps this you were on about.

I clarified again that I was talking about men and I explained why.

Has it really got to the point where we're now transphobic even if we are talking about men? WTF?

littlbrowndog · 06/09/2019 13:34

Hey rose

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 13:34

Oh are we trying to gaslight now?!
Yes, you meant they're all men cab drivers who aren't in the current political movement.
That would make perfect sense. Err..... Hmm

DickKerrLadies · 06/09/2019 13:35

And people wonder why we have complaints about confusing language.

Fraggling · 06/09/2019 13:36

I didn't insinuate anything.

I said that ime cab drivers tend to be very much not gc feminists.

You said it was gc feminists that trans people were at risk from.

Therefore no need for special cab service.

This is good news.

Shame its not true, as you're talking rubbish.

Trans people are at risk from violent men.

BazzleJet · 06/09/2019 13:37

Roses knows all this. Roses doesn't give a shit.

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 13:39

You said it was GC feminists at risk from
Therefore no need for a special cab service

Confused Nope, wasn't me. I actually said what is the problem with trans people having a trans friendly taxi it doesn't take anything away from us.
It's not a competition over who has it worse as well, there's female only firms out there too so all good.

Fraggling · 06/09/2019 13:41

I get that in the op the link is talking about safe journeys.

For the avoidance of doubt, the streets aren't made dangerous due to marauding middle aged women who believe that sex as a characteristic in animals (male /female) exists as an actual biological thing.

Fraggling · 06/09/2019 13:43

'Today 12:32Karkasaurus

I'm amused that people can't see the irony in posting hugely negative comments about a particular group of people and then can't see that they are precisely the very cause of that group of people needing a taxi service they feel safe in.'

littlbrowndog · 06/09/2019 13:44

Sometimes it’s like juggling jelly

DickKerrLadies · 06/09/2019 13:48

Ok now we've definitely come full circle.

TL;DR

No-one said there is a problem with trans people having a trans friendly taxi.

Yes, some female only firms do exist. But there is at least one example of where this wasn't allowed to happen because men said it was sexist. There are also examples of other, non-taxi-based, female only services that have been targeted with abuse or threatened to be shut down or have been shut down because they were female only.

Then we were told (paraphrasing here) that it was ironic because GC feminists were the reason trans people need a trans taxi service in the first place. Roses thought that was a good point.

It was then pointed out how ridiculous it is to say that because statistically, men commit more violent crime than GC feminists.

Kark said we were making negative comments about a group of people. I asked for clarification whether Kark meant men and I got called a dick.

Phew, this TL;DR is far too long. Now that's ironic.

DickKerrLadies · 06/09/2019 13:49

Actually, that's unfair to Kark.

I didn't mean transwomen when I said men, therefore I'm not a dick.

Apologies, Kark

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 13:51

Aren't made dangerous due to marauding middle age women
See, this is what I don't get - why the need to paint women as *we're only middle aged women, how are we a threat, don't be silly"
I'm one myself.
Can't you see it's the attitudes out there they might not feel safe from, that they might want protection from, I mean they'd know they were in a safe environment if the firm advertised as trans friendly, wouldn't they?
Doesn't automatically mean "marauding women" threatening violence!

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HumberElla · 06/09/2019 14:13

How the heck do you protect someone from another persons attitude?

Seems a tall order, but ok if that’s what you need. I have no interest at all in the attitude, opinion or personal outlook of the man who will be driving my taxi later. Couldn’t care less what he thinks about me.

DickKerrLadies · 06/09/2019 14:27

Can't you see it's the attitudes out there they might not feel safe from, that they might want protection from

Can you see this from the perspective of women who have been on the receiving end of threatening and violent behaviour from TRAs or men?

Again, no-one is saying there should not be a trans taxi service. I can understand why some trans people would feel more comfortable using such a service. To me, it feels like you're implying that it's the attitudes of gender critical women that mean a service like this is required. But I'm fairly sure it's violent and abusive men that are the problem.

I honestly don't think you believe that this service is needed because of our attitudes. Even though you appeared to agreed as much to Kark.

What are you actually arguing against?

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/09/2019 14:28

Yes Roses we got the point that you think attitudes and opinions that trans identified men don’t like are equivalent to rape and murder of women

Just for the record, I have NEVER said anything of the sort or even implied that they are equivalent so nice try.
I've said it's not an either or situation and that's it. Never compared the two.